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24.02.2022, 18:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | What NATO units in Ukraine? Can you provide a source for this, which is differnt from pravda.ru? | | | | | Nothing is wrong with Pravda or RT, except that they talk about things that western media avoid to mention.
There's been number of reports about facilities sponsored, built and owned by NATO in Ukraine. Access to these facilities is restricted, so no one can confirm their purpose.
Recent activity of NATO fleet in the Black Sea, supported by Ukraine, was one more cause for concern for the Russians
Are you denying that NATO is persistently expanding to the east, ignoring calls for a diplomatic solution to contradictions?
Really?
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24.02.2022, 18:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | oh wow, in that case im surprised they haven't used sarin yet. | | | | | Ukraine got a bit too cocky a bit too fast, no doubt egged on by the spinless leaders of the West who are now talking about 'sanctions'  as Russia is currently storming Ukraine.
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24.02.2022, 18:14
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Ukraine began to deploy NATO units on its territory | | | | | lie
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24.02.2022, 18:16
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Probably wasn't the best idea to ban the Russian language in a country right on the border with Russia for starters. | | | | | it was not banned. the official language is ukrainian, that's it
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24.02.2022, 18:20
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Are you denying that NATO is persistently expanding to the east, ignoring calls for a diplomatic solution to contradictions?
Really? | | | | | NATO expansion is driven by the desire of independent, sovereign, democratic states running referendums and asking their citizens whether they want to be part of NATO. So far, no country in Eastern Europe that has run such a referendum has decided NOT to join.
Russia's behavior is nothing but proof that this was absolutely the right choice so that these countries, particularly the Baltic States, can lead a normal life and try to build a better future for themselves and their children.
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24.02.2022, 18:37
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | NE and OW put them in our mailbox in the years we lived there.
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24.02.2022, 18:41
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | So far, no country in Eastern Europe that has run such a referendum has decided NOT to join. | | | | |
Some European countries had to be bombed and broken into "more democratic" pieces first, in order to love NATO a bit more.
I'm afraid we put different meaning in the term "democracy", so this discussion is useless as having no common terminology base.
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24.02.2022, 18:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Nothing is wrong with Pravda or RT, except that they talk about things that western media avoid to mention. | | | | | There is nothing wrong with RT. They don't lie, they simply invent a new reality.
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24.02.2022, 18:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Some European countries had to be bombed and broken to "more democratic" pieces first, in order to love NATO a bit more.
I'm afraid we put different meaning in the term "democracy", so this discussion is useless as having no common terminology base. | | | | | Yugoslavophilia remains the last extremist disease on the Balkans. Luckily, it's been slowly eradicated too.
Re democracy, it's very simple. Let me give you the opposite example. Literally just now, on DW the Russian correspondent said that 600 people have been arrested for protesting against the invasion. This is the opposite of democracy.
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24.02.2022, 18:49
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Belorussian troops occupied Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant and took personnel as hostages.
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24.02.2022, 18:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Belorussian troops occupied Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant and took personnel as hostages. | | | | | Source?! Russian coming from Belarus or Belarussian? If you are correct, this is massive news in which Belarus is also actively participating in the offense and this would be quite a change of the reality.
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24.02.2022, 18:55
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Of course Belarus is participating. Did they do military trainings together with Russians just for fun? Belarus is fully under Russian control.
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24.02.2022, 18:57
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Of course Belarus is participating. Did they do military trainings together with Russians just for fun? Belarus is fully under Russian control. | | | | | There's a massive difference if Belarussian soldiers are in Ukraine, as you claim. This is something that wasn't mentioned so far anywhere, what's your source?
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24.02.2022, 18:58
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Of course Belarus is participating. Did they do military trainings together with Russians just for fun? Belarus is fully under Russian control. | | | | | Lukashenko has denied this today. But things are changing fast, maybe now this is already confirmed.
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24.02.2022, 18:58
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Belorussian troops occupied Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant and took personnel as hostages. | | | | | So Putin now wants to destroy the world as it is now…..(if true)
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24.02.2022, 19:04
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Yugoslavophilia remains the last extremist disease on the Balkans. Luckily, it's been slowly eradicated too. | | | | | It's very common for the "democracy" to declare the reqion extremist, corrupted, violating the nuclear/chemical weapon restrictions, and then bomb and invade it, and let the "folk" change it's mind about the democracy. | Quote: | |  | | | Re democracy, it's very simple. Let me give you the opposite example. Literally just now, on DW the Russian correspondent said that 600 people have been arrested for protesting against the invasion. This is the opposite of democracy. | | | | | DW is well known for fake reports about protests in Russia. Look for DW reports about Navalnyi's protests, claiming thousands of manifestants, and attached videos showing fifteen bored onlookers
what these 600 or 6 protestants have been arrested for, is very questionable. May be they were just too drunk.
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24.02.2022, 19:13
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Some European countries had to be bombed and broken into "more democratic" pieces first, in order to love NATO a bit more.
I'm afraid we put different meaning in the term "democracy", so this discussion is useless as having no common terminology base. | | | | | Care to provide an example of this, in particular the bombed and broken bit.
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24.02.2022, 19:16
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
The Brits are the first, brave ones! Well done, for a change!
UK government imposes more measures against Russia
Downing Street said the UK government's plan of action against Russia consists of 10 components:
• An intention to impose asset freeze on all major Russian banks with an immediate freeze against VTB which has assets totalling £154bn
• To introduce legislation on Tuesday that will prohibit the ability of all Russian companies to raise finance on UK markets
• To issue sanctions against individuals, entities and their subsidiaries which include Rostec - Russia's largest defence company
• Look to imminently ban the ability of Aeroflot to land in the UK
• To immediately suspend the use of export licences to Russia - an example being electrical components or parts of military trucks
• To lay legislation "within days" that will prohibit a wide range of high tech exports to Russia
• Look at introducing legislation that would limit the amount of deposits Russian nationals will be able to hold in UK bank accounts
• To work with G7 and NATO allies to shut off Russia's access to the SWIFT payment system
• To extend the full range of these measures to Belarus
• Look at bringing forward the Economic Crime Bill which will take action against Russians who raise funds in the UK before the Easter recess https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-i...ussia-12550413 | Quote: | |  | | | Care to provide an example of this, in particular the bombed and broken bit. | | | | | Don't feed the trolls  He's talking about Yugoslavia and as most Yugoslavophils, they deny the reality that this was an artificial frankenstein that was held together by a brutal communist and the different nations within would have ran away from the union irrelevant of bombing or not. In fact, the bombing was precisely due to people wanting their freedom and Belgrade massacring them
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24.02.2022, 19:17
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | So Putin now wants to destroy the world as it is now…..(if true) | | | | | In case you didn’t notice: the world as we knew it got destroyed a while ago.
Some people are only now waking up to it, that’s all.
It could be argued that the world as you thought you knew it was an illusion to begin with….
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24.02.2022, 19:20
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | In case you didn’t notice: the world as we knew it got destroyed a while ago.
Some people are only now waking up to it, that’s all.
It could be argued that the world as you thought you knew it was an illusion to begin with…. | | | | | Maybe. But it will not be better…..
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