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24.02.2022, 19:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Nothing is wrong with Pravda or RT, except that they talk about things that western media avoid to mention. | | | | | Wow. Just wow.
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24.02.2022, 19:27
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Gee. There’s no Russian sponsored anything here. None at all. Nope.
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24.02.2022, 19:28
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | So Putin now wants to destroy the world as it is now…..(if true) | | | | | Yes, he thinks only the superpowers have the right to exist as separate countries.
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24.02.2022, 19:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The Brits are the first, brave ones! Well done, for a change!
UK government imposes more measures against Russia
Downing Street said the UK government's plan of action against Russia consists of 10 components:
• An intention to impose asset freeze on all major Russian banks with an immediate freeze against VTB which has assets totalling £154bn
• To introduce legislation on Tuesday that will prohibit the ability of all Russian companies to raise finance on UK markets
• To issue sanctions against individuals, entities and their subsidiaries which include Rostec - Russia's largest defence company
• Look to imminently ban the ability of Aeroflot to land in the UK
• To immediately suspend the use of export licences to Russia - an example being electrical components or parts of military trucks
• To lay legislation "within days" that will prohibit a wide range of high tech exports to Russia
• Look at introducing legislation that would limit the amount of deposits Russian nationals will be able to hold in UK bank accounts
• To work with G7 and NATO allies to shut off Russia's access to the SWIFT payment system
• To extend the full range of these measures to Belarus
• Look at bringing forward the Economic Crime Bill which will take action against Russians who raise funds in the UK before the Easter recess | | | | | Nĭ hăo, how long do you think "The West´s" sanctions will hold when China takes up the slack. Don´t you think that the Kremlin has thought about this and not made contingency plans to get around anything "the west" throws at them? For instance: Do they really need the SWIFT or could they switch to the Digital renminbi?
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24.02.2022, 19:33
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Nĭ hăo, how long do you think "The West´s" sanctions will hold when China takes up the slack. Don´t you think that the Kremlin has thought about this and not made contingency plans to get around anything "the west" throws at them? For instance: Do they really need the SWIFT or could they switch to the Digital renminbi? | | | | | Of course they can and they will. However, ask the few countries excluded from SWIFT at what discount they are selling their oil (30% to 50% discount). Moreover, the way it works with China is they get paid in their accounts in a Chinese banks and can use the funds only to procure Chinese good.
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24.02.2022, 19:43
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? Hundreds of people detained in anti-war protests around Russia, according to independent monitors
(CNN)
As of Thursday evening Moscow time, at least 850 people have already been detained in at least 44 cities across Russia, independent monitoring group OVD-Info reported.
Russia bars demonstrations without a permit, but Russians may stage individual, single-person protests.
Authorities on Thursday warned citizens that participating in anti-war protests could lead to prosecution and criminal charges.
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24.02.2022, 19:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Of course they can and they will. However, ask the few countries excluded from SWIFT at what discount they are selling their oil (30% to 50% discount). Moreover, the way it works with China is they get paid in their accounts in a Chinese banks and can use the funds only to procure Chinese good. | | | | | Unless the Digital renminbi gains traction in the international markets, as far as I am aware of it already has in Asia. Then currency based on the almighty dollar will lose value.
And at the end of the day all tech comes from China anyway these days.
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24.02.2022, 19:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Don't feed the trolls He's talking about Yugoslavia and as most Yugoslavophils, they deny the reality that this was an artificial frankenstein that was held together by a brutal communist and the different nations within would have ran away from the union irrelevant of bombing or not. In fact, the bombing was precisely due to people wanting their freedom and Belgrade massacring them | | | | | IIRC the broken bit happened long before the bombed bit.
Yugoslavia broke up 1990-1992 depending on the bits. Serbia was bombed in 1999.
Regardless I've ignored the troll, please don't quote him.
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24.02.2022, 19:50
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Re democracy, it's very simple. Let me give you the opposite example. Literally just now, on DW the Russian correspondent said that 600 people have been arrested for protesting against the invasion. This is the opposite of democracy. | | | | | Sounds a bit like Canada.
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24.02.2022, 19:56
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Sounds a bit like Canada. | | | | | What an asshole you must be.
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24.02.2022, 20:03
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Biden just spoke. Unfortunately relatively mild sanctions. He confirmed during the q&a that there wasn't agreement for SWIFT exclusuon in Europe. They didn't go all the way, Unfortunately. No energy, no SWIFT, no sanctions on Putin.
Moral of the story: economy at home beats security abroad
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24.02.2022, 20:15
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Biden just spoke. Unfortunately relatively mild sanctions. He confirmed during the q&a that there wasn't agreement for SWIFT exclusuon in Europe. They didn't go all the way, Unfortunately. No energy, no SWIFT, no sanctions on Putin.
Moral of the story: economy at home beats security abroad | | | | | It's pathetic, especially the EU.
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24.02.2022, 20:19
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | It's pathetic, especially the EU. | | | | | The EU practically signed-off a blank cheque to Putin. Absolutely abhorrent and so shortsighted. Unofficially, SWIFT exclusion was blocked by Italy.
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24.02.2022, 20:21
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Hundreds of people detained in anti-war protests around Russia, according to independent monitors
(CNN)
As of Thursday evening Moscow time, at least 850 people have already been detained in at least 44 cities across Russia, independent monitoring group OVD-Info reported.
Russia bars demonstrations without a permit, but Russians may stage individual, single-person protests.
Authorities on Thursday warned citizens that participating in anti-war protests could lead to prosecution and criminal charges. | | | | | Courageous, brave people!
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24.02.2022, 20:22
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Care to provide an example of this, in particular the bombed and broken bit. | | | | |
What a surprise, I thought everyone knows these examples. Yugoslavia of course was broken and bombed, Iraq invaded and Livia destroyed using fake charges, Ukrainian state turned into nationalist junta - all this against the wishes of their peoples.
Sounds like some people here call this "democracy"
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24.02.2022, 20:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Sounds a bit like Canada. | | | | |
Really? Much more like the UK if the new Police Bill become law, as planned.
''The new Police Bill legislation proposes to give police new powers to tackle any non-violent public assembly that may have a “relevant impact on persons in the vicinity” or that “may result in serious disruption to the activities of an organisation which are carried on in the vicinity of the assembly”. It can be used to shut down almost any peaceful protest, including peaceful vigils. The new police powers would also include setting conditions on the duration of protests, maximum noise levels, and locations. All this will, undoubtedly, have a chilling effect on British people’s freedom to peacefully assemble and thus participate in democracy.''
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24.02.2022, 20:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Sounds a bit like Canada. | | | | | Funny, I was thinking the same thing as I was reading it
I guess suspending liberties for a vaccine protest is cool, but don’t do it during war bro
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24.02.2022, 20:27
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The EU practically signed-off a blank cheque to Putin. Absolutely abhorrent and so shortsighted. Unofficially, SWIFT exclusion was blocked by Italy. | | | | | It's because they're hopelessly compromised, completely reliant on Russian oil and gas. Terrified of what their voters will do when prices continue to spiral.
Doing this on the back of the pandemic is playing straight into Putin's hands | Quote: | |  | | | Really? Much more like the UK if the new Police Bill become law, as planned.
''The new Police Bill legislation proposes to give police new powers to tackle any non-violent public assembly that may have a “relevant impact on persons in the vicinity” or that “may result in serious disruption to the activities of an organisation which are carried on in the vicinity of the assembly”. It can be used to shut down almost any peaceful protest, including peaceful vigils. The new police powers would also include setting conditions on the duration of protests, maximum noise levels, and locations. All this will, undoubtedly, have a chilling effect on British people’s freedom to peacefully assemble and thus participate in democracy.'' | | | | | Please stop bringing this back to the UK, you hate the country, it's OK!
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24.02.2022, 20:34
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Funny, I was thinking the same thing as I was reading it
I guess suspending liberties for a vaccine protest is cool, but don’t do it during war bro | | | | | I suggest you and Father Frost try and exercise your liberties in Russia. Let us know how it goes. When you report back from a labor camp, let us revisit your Canada comparisons.
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24.02.2022, 20:40
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Biden just spoke. Unfortunately relatively mild sanctions. He confirmed during the q&a that there wasn't agreement for SWIFT exclusuon in Europe. They didn't go all the way, Unfortunately. No energy, no SWIFT, no sanctions on Putin.
Moral of the story: economy at home beats security abroad | | | | | Weak responses from weak leaders.
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