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24.02.2022, 22:35
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I'm not sure who is worse nazis or soviets
but i'm sure putin is worse both of them combined | | | | | Not even in the same league. In comparison Putin is FC. Mindelheim vrs. Bayern München.
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24.02.2022, 22:40
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I also saw that, but it was unconfirmed. Most reports are about continued fighting for Hostomel.
I think tomorrow would be the critical day when the Russians reach Kiev. In city warfare tanks and planes matter less and the battle will be for each corner and each building. The Ukrainian morale will be higher than the Russian one so I hope that's their plan: to hold them fighting for Kiev long enough to drain the army as Putin can't keep 2/3 of his army abroad indefinitely and he will be at increasing pressure at home to bring this to a close. | | | | | according to Kyiv's local police office, local defense troops already got 10000 automatic guns, so yes, welcome to Kyiv | This user would like to thank vladest for this useful post: | | 
24.02.2022, 22:44
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | according to Kyiv's local police office, local defense troops already got 10000 automatic guns, so yes, welcome to Kyiv  | | | | | By this time tomorrow it will probably be called Kiev again | This user would like to thank father frost for this useful post: | | This user groans at father frost for this post: | | 
24.02.2022, 22:48
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | according to Kyiv's local police office, local defense troops already got 10000 automatic guns, so yes, welcome to Kyiv  | | | | | The morale of the Ukrainians will be key. The conscription Russian soldiers will start asking themselves what the hell are we doing here while the Ukrainians are fighting for their homes. It's a question of how long can they hold Kiev.
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | By this time tomorrow it will probably be called Kiev again  | | | | | dream on
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24.02.2022, 23:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The morale of the Ukrainians will be key. The conscription Russian soldiers will start asking themselves what the hell are we doing here while the Ukrainians are fighting for their homes. It's a question of how long can they hold Kiev. | | | | | He has made a clear threat to use nuclear strikes. The morale of Ukranians will make very little difference in this scenario.
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24.02.2022, 23:14
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | He has made a clear threat to use nuclear strikes. The morale of Ukranians will make very little difference in this scenario. | | | | | No, he hasn't.
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24.02.2022, 23:20
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
The message was very clear!
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24.02.2022, 23:25
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The message was very clear! | | | | |
Very clear indeed - unfortunately.
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24.02.2022, 23:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The message was very clear! | | | | | Putin would have gone nuclear had the Krim gone sour in ´14, and there is no reason not to believe he would do the same thing in Ukraine, and as we have discussed, today´s nukes are nothing like your grandads megaton nukes where precision could not be achieved but the things were so big it simply did not matter.
So as long as Nato continues it´s navel gazing and the Ukraines lose we should not have anything to fear.
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24.02.2022, 23:30
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | He has made a clear threat to use nuclear strikes. The morale of Ukranians will make very little difference in this scenario. | | | | | Stop spreading misinformation. Putin "threatened " with nuclear weapons if NATO enters Ukraine to help, which was never on the table anyway
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24.02.2022, 23:35
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Some footage of demonstrations in Moscow. Difficult to say much about the scale of this across Russia. These people deserve our respect, and I hope this builds up.
I expect a strong US driven campaign directed at Russian citizens: pictures of UA casualties, pictures of deserting Russian soldiers, pictures of Russian coffins, pictures of Putin's mansions. https://twitter.com/AVindman/status/...nhQL0fnOg&s=19 | The following 2 users would like to thank komsomolez for this useful post: | | 
24.02.2022, 23:50
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Stop spreading misinformation. Putin "threatened " with nuclear weapons if NATO enters Ukraine to help, which was never on the table anyway | | | | | He isn't predictable for quite a few days already.
Only time will tell when and how this madness ends up.
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24.02.2022, 23:52
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
I am still getting text messages and emails from UA. Surprising this has not been shut down.
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25.02.2022, 00:09
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Morale is one thing - but tactical finesse, training, supply lines, discipline and endurance as well as weaponry is another thing.
It’s good that Germany sent those 5000 helmets - they’ll need them soon enough.
Both sides‘ soldiers are really fighting a war for their oligarchs. So it’s difficult to say who realizes it first and how that pans out.
Russia is clearly trying to create facts before UA can take a breath.
The plan is probably to enclose Kiev and render the government powerless via some sort of decapitation strike.
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25.02.2022, 00:10
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Stop spreading misinformation. Putin "threatened " with nuclear weapons if NATO enters Ukraine to help, which was never on the table anyway | | | | | Because that’s not a bad enough threat??
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25.02.2022, 00:12
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
So now RT is showing Tucker Carlson with Russian subtitles ramble about how the Democratic Party "hates" poor Vova? https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/statu...P5q2kdxJg&s=19
FOX and the GOP are in Vova's pocket.
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25.02.2022, 00:14
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | |
The plan is probably to enclose Kiev and render the government powerless via some sort of decapitation strike.
| | | | | Yes. Possibly quite literally.
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25.02.2022, 00:25
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
James Bonds boss the inscrutable 'C' at MI6 on twitter about their intelligence coup over uncovering Putins intensions & invasion plans. British Spy Chief on Twitter today | 
25.02.2022, 01:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | I only read the summary of this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Founda...of_Geopolitics
But it's scary how some of the points of the plan have already happened, or are happening before our eyes - Russia creating division inside the US (I'd look into who funds secessionist movements in the US), using social media and disinformation, installing a pro-Russian (ex)president, manipulating the alt-right "movement"
- Helping Brexit happen, creating division inside Europe
- Destruction of Ukraine
- Trying to court/blackmail Germany (only partially successful)
Apparently this book is read in Russian military circles, I wouldn't dismiss it as just a "wishlist".
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