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25.02.2022, 15:10
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Over the last few years we've been able to see that in the 'liberal democracies' some protests and causes are more equal than others. The hypocrisy is there for all to see and the West can no longer confidently state that they hold the moral ground.
| | | | | I'm sure they'd welcome you with open arms in Moscow.
I'm not sure what is worse, it's either that you are just a dull troll with nothing better to do or that you are a complete hypocrite, living in Switzerland and moaning about Western values.
You're probably both.
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25.02.2022, 15:16
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | ... and the West can no longer confidently state that they hold the moral ground. | | | | | Maybe not, but I think we all confidently state that that Putin and his cronies have a firm grip on the moral low ground. Hopefully that'll all he has a firm grip on in the not too near future. A truly revolting man.
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25.02.2022, 15:18
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| | Re: Ukraine- what can WE do here in CH to help? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | You mean follow Putin's lead and send a few missiles over? | This user would like to thank NotAllThere for this useful post: | | 
25.02.2022, 15:52
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe not, but I think we all confidently state that that Putin and his cronies have a firm grip on the moral low ground. Hopefully that'll all be he has a firm grip on in the not too near future. A truly revolting man. | | | | | Yeah but we all knew that already plus we’ve had it drilled into us by the media for decades – whilst they were simultaneously painting our own incompetent and weak leaders as capable and benevolent despite all evidence to the contrary. | Quote: | |  | | | Just another example of the self indulgence of the West. Killing ourselves through infighting, wokism, social justice and the green agenda. Sensationalizing small problems (how ridiculous does Partygate look now in the grand scheme of things ). Pretending Jan 6 was an insurrection, the list goes on and on. Our real enemies look at all this and see weakness. Perhaps this will be the wakeup call we need? I suspect though it's already too late. | | | | | It seems the 21st century does not belong to the ‘Diversity is our Strength’ Empire | 
25.02.2022, 15:57
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
A small step
" The Swiss Federal Council discussed the situation in eastern Ukraine at its meeting of 23 February 2022. It condemns Russia's recognition of two regions as independent states as a violation of international law and a breach of Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty. The Federal Council wishes to ensure that Switzerland will not be used as a platform to circumvent sanctions imposed by the EU and is therefore examining the sanctions closely."
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25.02.2022, 16:02
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| | Re: Ukraine- what can WE do here in CH to help? | Quote: | |  | | | You mean follow Putin's lead and send a few missiles over?  | | | | | Not follow his lead. Tell him <modsnip>.
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Reason: Russian removed... but I think most will be able to guess.
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25.02.2022, 16:12
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25.02.2022, 16:50
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Just another example of the self indulgence of the West. Killing ourselves through infighting, wokism, social justice and the green agenda. | | | | | I stand corrected, this is now the leading contender for Shoehorn of the Year.
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25.02.2022, 16:58
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I stand corrected, this is now the leading contender for Shoehorn of the Year. | | | | | This one definitely should have made the shortlist: https://www.englishforum.ch/3393627-post2676.html | This user would like to thank father frost for this useful post: | | 
25.02.2022, 17:02
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | This one definitely should have made the shortlist: | | | | | Don't be shy. With a mere 66 posts you are already in the Troll Hall of Fame.
In other news, Russia openly threatening Finland and Sweden if they decide to join NATO (the closed NATO session is going on as we speak and both Finland and Sweden are there). Given the fact that Fuhrer Putin has no resources to fight them, his only "defense" is placing nukes somewhere in the north western border with Finland. https://twitter.com/eskelinen_antti/...24856265531394 | 
25.02.2022, 17:03
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Don't be shy. With a mere 66 posts you are already in the Troll Hall of Fame. | | | | | 9 lives, like a cat.
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25.02.2022, 17:04
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| | Re: Ukraine- what can WE do here in CH to help?
The most powerful message Switzerland would send is to freeze all the Swiss bank accounts of Putin, his friends, the Oligarchs and so on.
It's not going to happen though is it?
Even better would be to take out all the money and give to the Red Cross.
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25.02.2022, 17:12
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Just another example of the self indulgence of the West. Killing ourselves through infighting, wokism, social justice and the green agenda. Sensationalizing small problems (how ridiculous does Partygate look now in the grand scheme of things ). Pretending Jan 6 was an insurrection, the list goes on and on. Our real enemies look at all this and see weakness. Perhaps this will be the wakeup call we need? I suspect though it's already too late. | | | | | haha, people in power know the last people to worry about are the "enemies". Supporters are a more dangerous group of people. Let's read about Roman Emperors murdered by the Praetorian Guard. Well, Putin is already 70 YO and there's no shortage of people dreaming with his position. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catego...aetorian_Guard | 
25.02.2022, 17:15
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
So after some reading of what real and self-declared experts have to say about the first two days of this:
It seems clear that the Russians have so far underestimated the Ukrainians. There are no credible numbers, but at least Russia seems to have lost quite a bit of kit already. It looks like this is just a first wave, sure. But if now the Ukrainian army and ciivilians are digging in in Kyiy and preparing for urban warfare, the Russian might get stuck here - and might have to resort to heavy fire and just break anything in their way.
More importantly, it is unclear what Russia actually wants to achieve. They will not be able to just install a Lukashenko character as UA president and just leave again. UA will never accept this and overthrow a puppet regime. So Russia is going to stay and occupy the whole country? They will bleed. But Putin also cannot just go back home and say, ah well, shit didn't work out.
Maybe the folk who think Putin is so smart can help me understand this. How is this going to end?
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25.02.2022, 17:22
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
The situation is very bad, but this made me laugh. Putin appealed to Ukrainian military forces: | Quote: |  | | | Once again I appeal to members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Do not allow the neo-Nazis and Benderites to use your children, your wives and elderly as human shields... Take power into your own hands! It looks like it will be easier to come to an agreement with you than with that gang of drug addicts and neo-Nazis, which settled down in Kiev and took the entire Ukrainian people hostage | | | | | It seems that a drug addict is someone else.
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25.02.2022, 17:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | So after some reading of what real and self-declared experts have to say about the first two days of this:
It seems clear that the Russians have so far underestimated the Ukrainians. There are no credible numbers, but at least Russia seems to have lost quite a bit of kit already. It looks like this is just a first wave, sure. But if now the Ukrainian army and ciivilians are digging in in Kyiy and preparing for urban warfare, the Russian might get stuck here - and might have to resort to heavy fire and just break anything in their way.
More importantly, it is unclear what Russia actually wants to achieve. They will not be able to just install a Lukashenko character as UA president and just leave again. UA will never accept this and overthrow a puppet regime. So Russia is going to stay and occupy the whole country? They will bleed. But Putin also cannot just go back home and say, ah well, shit didn't work out.
Maybe the folk who think Putin is so smart can help me understand this. How is this going to end? | | | | | Could it be is that Russia will go in, break all the military stuff and run away claiming they've neutralized the country and could do so again if they wanted.
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25.02.2022, 17:25
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | So after some reading of what real and self-declared experts have to say about the first two days of this:
It seems clear that the Russians have so far underestimated the Ukrainians. There are no credible numbers, but at least Russia seems to have lost quite a bit of kit already. It looks like this is just a first wave, sure. But if now the Ukrainian army and ciivilians are digging in in Kyiy and preparing for urban warfare, the Russian might get stuck here - and might have to resort to heavy fire and just break anything in their way.
More importantly, it is unclear what Russia actually wants to achieve. They will not be able to just install a Lukashenko character as UA president and just leave again. UA will never accept this and overthrow a puppet regime. So Russia is going to stay and occupy the whole country? They will bleed. But Putin also cannot just go back home and say, ah well, shit didn't work out.
Maybe the folk who think Putin is so smart can help me understand this. How is this going to end? | | | | | Just reported by 3p.m:
80 tanks
516 armored vehicles
10 aircraft
2800 manpower
as i said: good luck
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25.02.2022, 17:26
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The situation is very bad, but this made me laugh. Putin appealed to Ukrainian military forces:
It seems that a drug addict is someone else. | | | | | This is actually quite worrying. I am not sure he sees things very clearly.
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25.02.2022, 17:26
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Could it be is that Russia will go in, break all the military stuff and run away claiming they've neutralized the country and could do so again if they wanted. | | | | | and all UA soldiers and local defence will stay and look how ru "break all the military stuff" ???
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | This is actually quite worrying. I am not sure he sees things very clearly. | | | | | 2 options: he is trolling. he is in dementia
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