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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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Just reported by 3p.m:
80 tanks
516 armored vehicles
10 aircraft
2800 manpower

as i said: good luck
These numbers look very very high. Can't believe them, although I would like to.
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:29
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and all UA soldiers and local defence will stay and look how ru "break all the military stuff" ???
By military stuff, I mean Materiel at airports, ports, tank yards and defensive positions. Not specifically manpower.

If any country has learnt anything in the last few years, occupation forces tend to have a bad time.
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:29
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2 options: he is trolling. he is in dementia
Or neither. It may be that he is delusional and no one dares to tell him what reality is.
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:32
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Could it be is that Russia will go in, break all the military stuff and run away claiming they've neutralized the country and could do so again if they wanted.
And leave a pro-Western democratic UA in place? No way. And if you were right, they could have just used their air force and never set foot into the country.
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:36
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If any country has learnt anything in the last few years, occupation forces tend to have a bad time.
Exactly! I was trying to make the point last night that city guerilla warfare is nothing like open field battles. Tanks and airforce are less useful and the Ukrainians will be fighting at home for their country. This levels the field and then it will be about morale and stamina in which my money is on the Ukrainians.
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:37
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Russia banned from 2022 Eurovision. Lol.
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:40
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Well, Switzerland did something. My mistake, no account freezing, only obligation to notify if 363 Putin supporters have assets in CH banks.

https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/fdfa...022/2/25/87356

I guess the Swiss estimated it was going to look really bad if journalists exposed some months in the future these accounts, all while Ukraine is occupied by the invader. The Credit Suisse scandal a few days hit just in time to make the Swiss have 2nd thoughts on taking this kind of money.

Last edited by Axa; 25.02.2022 at 17:56. Reason: sorry, 363 individuals + 4 companies. And no account freezing, only notifying if people have assets here.
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:42
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Well, Switzerland did something. Froze accounts of 400+ Putin supporters aligning to the list send by the EU.
At least a few EF members might be on the list
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:43
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The most powerful message Switzerland would send is to freeze all the Swiss bank accounts of Putin, his friends, the Oligarchs and so on.

It's not going to happen though is it?

Even better would be to take out all the money and give to the Red Cross.

ZURICH, Feb 25 (Reuters) - Switzerland told banks on Friday to freeze the assets of people and entities on a European Union sanctions blacklist that the neutral country has adopted to ensure it is not used to circumvent measures against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine.

The instruction from the Swiss Financial Market Supervisory Authority (FINMA) ratchets up the pressure Bern is exerting in solidarity with the West while still trying to keep the door open to a potential role as a mediator.

"Financial intermediaries are requested to block the corresponding assets immediately and to report such business relationships to (government agency) SECO in accordance with the provisions of the ordinance," FINMA said on its website.

The government had earlier amended itswatchlist ordinance to include 363 individuals and four companies the EU put on its sanctions list this week to punish Moscow.

FINMA did not specify how much money would be frozen. Russians held nearly 10.4 billion Swiss francs ($11.21 billion) in Switzerland in 2020, Swiss National Bank data show''
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:47
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Watch Finland, and possibly Sweden, ask for NATO membership very shortly. The Finns are almost there.
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:48
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They will not be able to just install a Lukashenko character as UA president and just leave again. UA will never accept this and overthrow a puppet regime.
It will be a difficult task. Lukashenko (or The Cockroach as Belorusians call him) is the one and only. He said yesterday that he will be protecting Russian forces because Poland and Lithuania are gathering military forces to strike Russians from behind through Belarus. He is completely nuts.
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:52
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Watch Finland, and possibly Sweden, ask for NATO membership very shortly. The Finns are almost there.
Did you see this? Russia openly threatening Finland and Sweden just before the NATO closed session started.


https://twitter.com/eskelinen_antti/...24856265531394

Btw, if history is any indication, the Finns don't even need NATO, last time the Soviet campaigned there it ended up in disgrace and they still remember the "White Death"
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These numbers look very very high. Can't believe them, although I would like to.
This is official confirmed numbers from UA military HQ
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:56
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Did you see this? Russia openly threatening Finland and Sweden just before the NATO closed session started.


https://twitter.com/eskelinen_antti/...24856265531394
Putin screwed up then. He is driving everyone into NATO. Well, except UA of course who got the short end of stick.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Should Kyiv be declared an 'Open City' ?
To avoid senseless and indiscriminate killing of civilians caught in the crossfire.
It's probably too late for Kyiv to be declared an 'Open City', particularly with the Ukrainain government arming Kyiv residents
in a last ditch stand to hold the city but the link below includes examples of 'Open Cities' during World War 2.

List of Open Cities declared during World War II
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:58
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This is official confirmed numbers from UA military HQ
I know that. But they are at war, and part of this is information war. They will want to report high Russian casualties so that internal opposition in Russia grows.
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It will be a difficult task. Lukashenko (or The Cockroach as Belorusians call him) is the one and only. He said yesterday that he will be protecting Russian forces because Poland and Lithuania are gathering military forces to strike Russians from behind through Belarus. He is completely nuts.
He is not just nuts, he is regurgitating Putin's narrative.

I think Ukrainians are heroic. My heart goes out to all that suffer because of this absurd war.
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Old 25.02.2022, 17:59
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Should Kyiv be declared an 'Open City' ?
To avoid senseless and indiscriminate killing of civilians caught in the crossfire.
It's probably too late for Kyiv to be declared an 'Open City', particularly with the Ukrainain government arming Kyiv residents
in a last ditch stand to hold the city but the link below includes examples of 'Open Cities' during World War 2.

List of Open Cities declared during World War II
You mean capitulate?
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Old 25.02.2022, 18:01
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Putin screwed up then. He is driving everyone into NATO. Well, except UA of course who got the short end of stick.
Just now on DW, Belarus will amend its constitution by removing the articles which proclaim it as a non-nuclear state. Chances are Putin will equip them quickly after that with nukes
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You mean capitulate?

No - By all means fight on, I just mentioned Open cities as an historical aside of what happened in World War 2.
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