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Re: Ukraine- what can WE do here in CH to help?

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That's not very much at all.

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My feeling is that is the cash deposits that are held in the names of private individuals with a Russian domicile.

On top of that you will have securities, assets held by domicilary companies and by Russian nationals with a different domicile. And then all the permutations of those. Assets in Switzerland with a Russian nexus will be an order of magnitude greater than this 10bn.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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I can post photos of dead kids, killed by russian airstrike today, but you will still claim is that they killed by EU/US/NATO whatever. in your weird world everyone guilty except putin
I never claimed Putin wasn’t guilty. My main point was that the West doesn’t actually care about Ukrainians other than to use them – and that increasingly looks to be true.

Weird world to me is an irrational hatred and thinking all Russian people are evil. That's weird.

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My values are the same as the Ukrainians' values. And no, I am not going to Kyiy tomorrow and pick up an AK47. I know there is little that I can do - apart from upholding these values and donating to Ukraine.
So when you say your values are the same as Ukrainians' values, does that include all the neo-Nazi stuff like Azov Battalion?
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I never claimed Putin wasn’t guilty. My main point was that the West doesn’t actually care about Ukrainians other than to use them – and that increasingly looks to be true.
everyone have it own goals. at this point West and UA have same goal - eliminate russia
so any West's help to UA is welcome. you call it "using", i call it mutual goal
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St.Peterburg protests collected 0.05% of its citizens
All of them just watched how police detained other. noone even moved by fingers, except fingers responsible for pressing video buttons on their phones
they are just sheeps, zero respect
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Old 25.02.2022, 23:39
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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I never claimed Putin wasn’t guilty. My main point was that the West doesn’t actually care about Ukrainians other than to use them – and that increasingly looks to be true.

Weird world to me is an irrational hatred and thinking all Russian people are evil. That's weird.
The US has given a lot of money to the Ukraine over the years and recently gave $200 million to the Ukraine due to the current crisis. (You may remember Trump threatening to not provide the Ukraine with any further aid a few years ago unless they investigated Biden's son).

Do you think Biden should send in thousands of American troops to the Ukraine to fight Russia? What do you think Biden and/or the rest of the world should do, exactly?
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So when you say your values are the same as Ukrainians' values, does that include all the neo-Nazi stuff like Azov Battalion?
ru propaganda detected
so called neo Nazi Azov Batallion is artificial creature, made by FSB to promote Nazi narrative in UA. to brainwash people like you
moreover nationalistic (dont mix with nazi) parties never reached > 5% of electoral base in UA
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ru propaganda detected
so called neo Nazi Azov Batallion is artificial creature, made by FSB to promote Nazi narrative in UA. to brainwash people like you
moreover nationalistic (dont mix with nazi) parties never reached > 5% of electoral base in UA
Azov Battalion is a right-wing extremist and neo-Nazi Ukrainian National Guard unit.
Wikipedia

You can dismiss that as RU propoganda if you want.

I'm more curious if this is what komsomolez was referring to when he said his values are the same as the Ukrainians' values?
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

News is emerging of the Mig-29 Ukrainian Air Force fighter pilot called The Ghost of Kyiv, who is rumoured to have downed 6 Russian aircraft
already in the skies above & around Kyiv.


The Drive - takes a closer look at The Ghost of Kyiv fighter pilot
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Old 26.02.2022, 00:08
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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News is emerging of the Mig-29 Ukrainian Air Force fighter pilot called The Ghost of Kyiv, who is rumoured to have downed 6 Russian aircraft
already in the skies above & around Kyiv.


The Drive - takes a closer look at The Ghost of Kyiv fighter pilot
You don’t have to look far. There’s enough heroism in Ukrainian people that it will help them to believe in fending off aggressors attack no matter how large amount of enemy comes their way and into the capital Kiev.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/sport...spt/index.html

Ukraine: Woman confronts armed Russian soldier https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60525996

Good luck to Ukraine in their fight for freedom if abandoned by any other allies.

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Old 26.02.2022, 00:29
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You don’t have to look far. There’s enough heroism in Ukrainian people that it will help them to believe in fending off aggressors attack no matter how large amount of enemy comes their way and into the capital Kiev.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/25/sport...spt/index.html

Ukraine: Woman confronts armed Russian soldier https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-60525996

Good luck to Ukraine in their fight for freedom if abandoned by any other allies.
I think this is what might help them. They are defending themselves against an unjustified attack. There's inspiring heroism on their side to sustain them. Hopefully it will be enough.
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Old 26.02.2022, 00:37
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

More stories: https://twitter.com/holypolitic/stat...85852530647042
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Summary of how we got here in 9 minutes:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nK-yJD_fAtk
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

The Siege of Kyiv, just a reminder that the citizens of Kyiv have been very inventive in the past, with
the variety of weapons they fielded during the EuroMaidan protests of 2014 when they went postively
medieval and even deployed a Trebuchet against President Yanukovych's riot police.

Looking back on the EuroMaidan protests when they went Medieval

The Guardian - Medieval Knights, catapults and Trebuchets against the riot police at the Euromaidan protests
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Russia loses a second Ilushin transport aircraft for one night. Not clear whether this was also carrying paratroopers like the first, but it's becoming increasingly clear that the Russian army has not evolved beyond 20th century warfare. Massive armored vehicle divisions followed by massive infantry. No military reconnaissance, no drones, no communication jamming, no precision tactical strikes to clear the way for landing parties...just throwing huge numbers and praying for a good outcome.

Any modern army would crush Russia in a conventional conflict, this is becoming increasingly clear.


https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1497430637166407686

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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

I just read an article that resonated with my thoughts and apart from other issues the complicity of the West cited as one of the causes of what's happening today looks pretty valid to me. I agree with so many that say Russia's aggression would have been impossible in the absence of complicity. The list of European officials affiliated with Russian companies is the image of the connections that explain the timidity of the sanctions. For some parts of the Western elite, settling in with Putin is a rational solution and ceding territories is a legitimate price to pay. Just like after the second world war.
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I just read an article that resonated with my thoughts...
Sorry, but...WE TOLD YOU SO! Like more than a decade ago and the "west" never listened. The drama is that the world continues to underestimate him. The fact that Italy and Germany are still discussing SWIFT is a major sign that their leaders are completely out of touch with reality and what's at stake.
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Sorry, but...WE TOLD YOU SO! Like more than a decade ago and the "west" never listened. The drama is that the world continues to underestimate him. The fact that Italy and Germany are still discussing SWIFT is a major sign that their leaders are completely out of touch with reality and what's at stake.
They are not out of touch, they value their money more. Simple.

What did Switzerland do btw? And they assured UA it doesn't mean "indifference"..ehrm, no, it means exactly that.
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Sorry, but...WE TOLD YOU SO! Like more than a decade ago and the "west" never listened. The drama is that the world continues to underestimate him. The fact that Italy and Germany are still discussing SWIFT is a major sign that their leaders are completely out of touch with reality and what's at stake.
Expelling Russia from SWIFT is still back on the table. Not to mention that sale of weapons will increase to Ukraine. Business for West as usual, even in those tragic moments where lives are being lost.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/kyiv-...072739163.html

The only solution seem to be protests and riots on international scale everywhere. Big time. Especially, Russian people should take more decisive stance towards democracy and be able to suppress their leaders with dictatorship drives.
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The only solution seem to be protests and riots on international scale everywhere. Big time. Especially, Russian people should take more decisive stance towards democracy and be able to suppress their leaders with dictatorship drives.
Putin has a Stalinist political police and you must know what that means - every Russian taking a strong stance might be physically eliminated. I can understand why people are afraid to protest, they already arrested so many..
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Protests, yes. Riots, no.
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Protests, yes. Riots, no.
I wouldn’t mind them sending a few Molotov cocktails at the offices and bases which authorized this invasive attack.
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