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26.02.2022, 09:14
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Are the gas pipelines crossing the Ukraine still functioning?
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26.02.2022, 09:19
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Are the gas pipelines crossing the Ukraine still functioning? | | | | | Yes. Both Russia and Ukraine need them, probably the only thing that they are aligned on. | Quote: | |  | | | They are not out of touch, they value their money more. Simple. | | | | | Yes, they are. There's a prioritization of objectives. Security trumps business as without security there's no business. The inability of these two countries' leaders to grasp the seriousness of the situation makes them, in my eyes, incompetent leaders. Full stop.
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26.02.2022, 09:32
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| | Re: Ukraine- what can WE do here in CH to help? | Quote: | |  | | | My feeling is that is the cash deposits that are held in the names of private individuals with a Russian domicile.
On top of that you will have securities, assets held by domicilary companies and by Russian nationals with a different domicile. And then all the permutations of those. Assets in Switzerland with a Russian nexus will be an order of magnitude greater than this 10bn. | | | | | Just take Vekselberg as an example. Blacklisted by the US, lives in Zug and partially owns a couple of Swiss companies. He‘ll have bank accounts here as well.
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26.02.2022, 09:33
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Are the gas pipelines crossing the Ukraine still functioning? | | | | | Yes. And SWIFT is used for payments on gas and oil.
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26.02.2022, 09:37
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Yes. And SWIFT is used for payments on gas and oil. | | | | | Which is probably why Germany is opposed. No more gas supply from Russia as they cannot pay. And the green alternatives they so want are nowhere near supplying the energy they need…..
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26.02.2022, 09:43
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Sorry, but...WE TOLD YOU SO! Like more than a decade ago and the "west" never listened. The drama is that the world continues to underestimate him. The fact that Italy and Germany are still discussing SWIFT is a major sign that their leaders are completely out of touch with reality and what's at stake. | | | | | Boris gets ( and justifiably so ) a lot of stick but he’s played a pretty straight bat here.
That the Italians and Hungarians don’t want to block the Russians from SWIFT doesn’t surprise me in the least.
The Germans however should be ashamed of themselves. Disgusting attitude… short term decisions yield long term consequences, they have a once in a generation chance, if not to wipe the slate clean but certainly to massively improve their historical reputation.
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26.02.2022, 09:44
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Azov Battalion is a right-wing extremist and neo-Nazi Ukrainian National Guard unit. Wikipedia
You can dismiss that as RU propoganda if you want. | | | | | so, its a hot war between russian occupants and UA. where the battalion?
no even single line in news. hiding? killed? or never existed?
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26.02.2022, 09:47
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Sorry, but...WE TOLD YOU SO! Like more than a decade ago and the "west" never listened. The drama is that the world continues to underestimate him. The fact that Italy and Germany are still discussing SWIFT is a major sign that their leaders are completely out of touch with reality and what's at stake. | | | | | I think SWIFT already decided
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26.02.2022, 09:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I think SWIFT already decided | | | | | What is your source? I just read this and it makes me even more sick!
Now the German government is hiding behind "cutting Russia off SWIFT technically difficult". Technical difficulty is the most absurd argument they could come up with. Shame on them! https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-02-2...9ZC/index.html | 
26.02.2022, 09:56
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | What is your source? I just read this and it makes me even more sick!
Now the German government is hiding behind "cutting Russia off SWIFT technically difficult". Technical difficulty is the most absurd argument they could come up with. Shame on them! https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-02-2...9ZC/index.html | | | | | Hu? Don‘t they know they have to do nothing but agree? SWIFT for sure is able to do that with some effort. Yikes….
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26.02.2022, 10:03
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | What is your source? I just read this and it makes me even more sick!
Now the German government is hiding behind "cutting Russia off SWIFT technically difficult". Technical difficulty is the most absurd argument they could come up with. Shame on them! https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-02-2...9ZC/index.html | | | | | UA Foreign Secretary Kuleba
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26.02.2022, 10:03
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Hu? Don‘t they know they have to do nothing but agree? SWIFT for sure is able to do that with some effort. Yikes…. | | | | | Exactly my point. It has been done in the past, it could be done now. Citing "technical difficulties" is the most lame and absurd excuse an intelligent person could come up with. Or it might be a sign on the increasing pressure on Germany and they can't openly say "we'd rather support the Russians rather than helping Ukraine and Europe"
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26.02.2022, 10:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Well, their former Chancellor Schröder clearly prefers Putin, his best buddy…..
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26.02.2022, 10:09
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Exactly my point. It has been done in the past, it could be done now. Citing "technical difficulties" is the most lame and absurd excuse an intelligent person could come up with. Or it might be a sign on the increasing pressure on Germany and they can't openly say "we'd rather support the Russians rather than helping Ukraine and Europe" | | | | | probably they want some guarantee regarding gas supplies and money to be reimbursed they will lost in ru banks, so this is kind of negotiations in russian style
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26.02.2022, 10:09
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Exactly my point. It has been done in the past, it could be done now. Citing "technical difficulties" is the most lame and absurd excuse an intelligent person could come up with. Or it might be a sign on the increasing pressure on Germany and they can't openly say "we'd rather support the Russians rather than helping Ukraine and Europe" | | | | | I have several friends working at the SWIFT headquarters in Belgium and giving technical difficulties as a reason is just bullshit.
They could do it without too much effort if they really wanted to.
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26.02.2022, 10:11
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Yes. Both Russia and Ukraine need them, probably the only thing that they are aligned on.
| | | | | I see why the Russians need the pipelines open, but I seriously doubt the Ukrainians now get any value from them.
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26.02.2022, 10:16
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
TSMC going to stop providing supplies to RU. not confirmed yet
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26.02.2022, 10:21
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | TSMC going to stop providing supplies to RU. not confirmed yet | | | | | btw, I was thinking precisely about TSMC the other day when I was wondering if the west/east alliance will allow China to take Taiwan as easily as they allowed Ukraine to fall into Putin. I think the stakes are much much higher in Taiwan and TSMC could be the major difference in the response which could turn into a military confrontation rather than merely sanctions.
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26.02.2022, 10:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | btw, I was thinking precisely about TSMC the other day when I was wondering if the west/east alliance will allow China to take Taiwan as easily as they allowed Ukraine to fall into Putin. I think the stakes are much much higher in Taiwan and TSMC could be the major difference in the response which could turn into a military confrontation rather than merely sanctions. | | | | | I suppose ru fail in UA will be a lesson for China as well for Nato
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26.02.2022, 10:30
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I suppose ru fail in UA will be a lesson for China as well for Nato | | | | | It's absolutely clear that China is taking very careful notes and using this as an acid test to plan what would be the response from the west if/when it "liberates" Taiwan. But TSMC could be a major reason for a military confrontation. The West imposed sanctions on Russia in terms of high-tech equipment and IP and it would work as Russia doesn't have a high-tech sector and is heavily reliant on imports. China is touted as a tech-savvy leader, but in fact it is reliant on IP and on TSMC. Without them they are at a significant disadvantage.
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