Agree BUT, it's not over until its really over. It seems like the Russians have been sending mainly the conscript army so far. The professional army seems to be moving in now on Kiev and the armored vehicles are there too. According to a UK General on Sky News he expects the "big" attack to start either tonight or tomorrow. It seems like Putin is pushing Belarus to join as an insurance policy in case this drags on in order to give a chance for the forces from the south and the east to join and basically surround Kiev.

In the end, the morale of the Ukrainians seems to be very high, but the question is how long will it last and how effective Ukrainian citizens conscripted just now with no battle experience stand up to the Russians.

This has been corrected and acknowledged on the other thread.

Regarding UK stopped issuing visas to UA:
https://twitter.com/katielfrank/stat...-EOpN63BW4u2pg

This is an open discussion, on an open Forum. I shared info I'd seen several times elsewhere - it was corrected. No agenda.

Oh I agree. Russia will double down, and I wouldn't be surprised if they start shelling Kyiv with artillery.

I cannot watch the video now, but I assume it was taken during Euromaidan in 2014.

BTW, Macron and Lukashenko are having a phone talk for an hour already.

This is not about UA, but the elections. Not the Belorussian ones, in case you are in doubt.

Where did you get your information from, or did you just make it up? A press release on gov.uk two days ago announced visa concessions for Ukrainians already in the UK or travelling there.

Current situation r.e. visas from the Shadow Home Secretary.

https://twitter.com/YvetteCooperMP/s...07741803798531

Clearly, the professional army will be much stronger but, presumably, they will be relying on the same supply chain which will be further stressed to support a much larger group.

In such an urban environment as Kiev battle experience is less relevant, it is more about the ability to pop up, take some shots and, hopefully, disappear again.
The characteristics of an average city include tall buildings, narrow alleys, sewage tunnels and possibly a subway system. Defenders may have the advantage of detailed local knowledge of the area, right down to the layout inside of buildings and means of travel not shown on maps.

More important is how well the Russian troops are trained for such urban environment fighting. They failed badly trying to take Grozny, the capital of Chechnya in 1994, but, presumably, have much improved.

Edit: to take a major city you need infantry, heavy armoured vehicles driving by are not much help.

It’s also shows the soldiers morale who most likely do not share the same sentiment and agenda as their leaders about the whole campaign. They would most likely not attack their fellow countrymen and rather stay home in reserve. Cannot blame them at all. They must follow their orders.

You realize though how Grozny looked when they were done with it? Scary.

It was shared today in many places. The link I posted above was from the other Ukraine thread.

It works there... but not when shared. Not a clue why.

Ukraine launched a hotline for the parents of the Russian soldiers. If they lost connection with their son most probably he was sent to Ukraine. Too bad that the mothers who only watch Russian propagandist TV channels won't know about this hotline.

Of course.

I also read somewhere that allegedly the Russian troops expected to be welcomed as liberators, at least in Eastern UA. Not sure this is true, would take a lot of propaganda to believe this. But if true, imagine going into a country expecting flowers and girls' smiles and what you find is Javelins and snipers.

UA local defense troops getting MLAWs as well

They have to and they will, this is clear. Part of the reason for the delay is precisely waiting for the artillery and the armored divisions to arrive and satellite images are confirming they are amassing just out of Kiev. The T72 has a 2km range and it will probably be a massive artillery and tank bombardment to "soften" them up and then the ground troops will enter. It's absolutely true that the Russians have suffered badly so far which almost makes certain that their artillery and tank bombardment will be brutal.

Russia was never a strategically or tactically savvy army, they've historically relied on overwhelming the enemy with massive numbers and there's no reason to believe this will be any different, unfortunately.

it was looked like this because of shelling non-stop using aviation and Grads
it will not be like this in case of UA

yeah but chechens did not have own artillery, MLAWs, Javelins, Bayraktars, Grads, etc etc

Please please don't get me wrong! I am absolutely rooting for Ukraine and the Ukrainians! I wish they regain their country back and this will also be the end of the botox midget in the kremlin!

Sure, but it took a long time.
The Russians lost more tanks in Grozny than in Berlin in 1945.

moreover now UA will get information from JSTARS system in realtime, means all ru troops movements will be tracked and troops will be destroyed long before they do significant harm