World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? - Page 155

marton · #**3081** 26.02.2022, 22:13

	Quote:	vladest
	yeah but chechens did not have own artillery, MLAWs, Javelins, Bayraktars, Grads, etc etc

But they proved firing RPGs from tall buildings down onto tank roofs worked very well.

komsomolez · #**3082** 26.02.2022, 22:14

	Quote:	marton
	Sure, but it took a long time. The Russians lost more tanks in Grozny than in Berlin in 1945.

No surprise. 14 year olds were fighting Russian tanks in Berlin in 45. Different topic though.

gaburko · #**3083** 26.02.2022, 22:14

	Quote:	marton
	Sure, but it took a long time. The Russians lost more tanks in Grozny than in Berlin in 1945.

Yes, the first Chechen "war" is a textbook example of how not to lead armored vehicle warfare in a city environment. They thought they will win the war with tanks and were crushed.

vladest · #**3084** 26.02.2022, 22:15

	Quote:	gaburko
	Please please don't get me wrong! I am absolutely rooting for Ukraine and the Ukrainians! I wish they regain their country back and this will also be the end of the botox midget in the kremlin!

I know. I understand it will not be easy for ukrainians, but for russians it will be katastrof

#**3085** 26.02.2022, 22:31

Looks like Ukraine and Russia are going to talk, with the Swiss help. Hope the fighting will stop.

	Quote:
	Federal President Cassis is in contact with Russia's Foreign Minister Lavrov and the Ukrainian President Zelensky. In addition, the Federal Council is planning a special session on Sunday or Monday to implement the sanctions against Russia. Diplomatic efforts are in full swing in Bern to organize a peace conference to end the war in Ukraine. The immediate goal would be to reach a ceasefire. A corresponding request went on Saturday from the Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to the Swiss Federal President Ignazio Cassis. This request authorizes Switzerland to act as a neutral mediator, officially and in accordance with international law. A meeting of the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva, which has long been planned for next Monday and Tuesday, could be a welcome occasion.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz...n-129475547083

TinyK · #**3086** 26.02.2022, 22:40

	Quote:	gaburko
	Please please don't get me wrong! I am absolutely rooting for Ukraine and the Ukrainians! I wish they regain their country back and this will also be the end of the botox midget in the kremlin!

There were jokes from Ukrainians in 2014 and later answering the helpless claims from Russian opposition "We don't support Putin, but what can we do?" that it looks like Russians want Ukrainians to do a revolution for them. These days it doesn't seems too unrealistic.

komsomolez · #**3087** 26.02.2022, 22:43

	Quote:	leonie
	Looks like Ukraine and Russia are going to talk, with the Swiss help. Hope the fighting will stop. https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz...n-129475547083

I cannot see Putin ready to negotiate. This is Day 3 and he must be furious with the loss of face he has suffered.

TinyK · #**3088** 26.02.2022, 23:39

	Quote:	komsomolez
	I cannot see Putin ready to negotiate. This is Day 3 and he must be furious with the loss of face he has suffered.

I wonder what is there to negotiate? The neutral status? F*** off, Russian military ship.

komsomolez · #**3089** 26.02.2022, 23:49

	Quote:	TinyK
	I wonder what is there to negotiate? The neutral status? F** off, Russian military ship.*

I hear you. With how things are going so far, why should UA negotiate? But unfortunately this will only get uglier and Putin could go very far. In principle I am with you on neutrality. But it might not be the worst if you could get Russia to accept this, withdraw, and the UA long game is for a post-Putin time.

Not sure any of this is realistic. I actually see all of this develop rather painful.

vladest · #**3090** 27.02.2022, 00:03

	Quote:	leonie
	Looks like Ukraine and Russia are going to talk, with the Swiss help. Hope the fighting will stop. https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/schweiz...n-129475547083

it will stop when ru will release Crimea and Donbass and will pay all reparations

marton · #**3091** 27.02.2022, 00:23

"A NATO military official claims that Russia is spinning its slow advance in the invasion of Ukraine as having stopped to allow time for negotiations.

“They are having problems,” the official explained, pointing to the alliance’s latest intelligence. “They lack diesel, they are proceeding way to slow and morale is obviously an issue.”"

We already worked this out

Excad · #**3092** 27.02.2022, 00:27

I know that my advice is really general and counter-intuitive in this sad time, but we cannot still push out the Russians (as a whole nation) from European culture and mentality. Because otherwise they will always stick to another tzar-alike, sociopathic leader like Lenin/Stalin/Putin/***in.

I believe the European values are somewhere in them, and you can see that by the scale of protests in Russia (even though that's very risky for those people).

komsomolez · #**3093** 27.02.2022, 00:33

	Quote:	Excad
	I know that my advice is really general and counter-intuitive in this sad time, but we cannot still push out the Russians (as a whole nation) from European culture and mentality. Because otherwise they will always stick to another tzar-alike, sociopathic leader like Lenin/Stalin/Putin/***in. I believe the European values are somewhere in them, and you can see that by the scale of protests in Russia (even though that's very risky for those people).

Russians are welcome. Putin and all his helpers (Russian or not) can go f--- themselves. This is about values and attitude, not passport.

roegner · #**3094** 27.02.2022, 00:33

	Quote:	Excad
	I know that my advice is really general and counter-intuitive in this sad time, but we cannot still push out the Russians (as a whole nation) from European culture and mentality. Because otherwise they will always stick to another tzar-alike, sociopathic leader like Lenin/Stalin/Putin/***in. I believe the European values are somewhere in them, and you can see that by the scale of protests in Russia (even though that's very risky for those people).

And how does that help anyone in the Ukraine or fleeing from the Ukraine?????

marton · #**3095** 27.02.2022, 00:39

In an announcement late today, the White House said, in concert with the European Commission, France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and Canada, the US is backing the expulsion of “selected Russian banks” from SWIFT.

#**3096** 27.02.2022, 00:41

	Quote:	marton
	In an announcement late today, the White House said, in concert with the European Commission, France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and Canada, the US is backing the expulsion of “selected Russian banks” from SWIFT.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60542433

TinyK · #**3097** 27.02.2022, 00:44

	Quote:	vladest
	it will stop when ru will release Crimea and Donbass and will pay all reparations

That's exactly what I want for them. Would be also good if Putin kneeled down before every Ukrainian family who lost it's family member in this war since 2014 and begged for forgiveness.

komsomolez · #**3098** 27.02.2022, 00:44

	Quote:	marton
	In an announcement late today, the White House said, in concert with the European Commission, France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom and Canada, the US is backing the expulsion of “selected Russian banks” from SWIFT.

I really don't know how this works. Germany have said they would support some selective cutting off (probably meaning they can still pay for gas). So I don't know this has teeth.

Monday is going to be wild in the office ...

Excad · #**3099** 27.02.2022, 00:45

	Quote:	roegner
	And how does that help anyone in the Ukraine or fleeing from the Ukraine?????

Exactly as komsomolez stated - this is about values and attitude, not passport.
If we let us forget about that, we will get in Russia next fu***** sociopath as Putin and the "fun" will never end. It is also about breaking that horrid wheel.

Ouchboy · #**3100** 27.02.2022, 00:52

	Quote:	komsomolez
	I really don't know how this works. Germany have said they would support some selective cutting off (probably meaning they can still pay for gas). So I don't know this has teeth. Monday is going to be wild in the office ...

Seems they just did.