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27.02.2022, 16:16
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Does anyone have any idea if this is true? https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-r...asion-12541713
'Hundreds' of Russian troops taken prisoner - Ukrainian foreign minister
We reported earlier as Ukraine claimed around 4,300 Russian troops have been "killed or injured" so far in their invasion of Ukraine.
Dmytro Kuleba, the Ukrainian foreign minister, now adds that "hundreds more" have been taken prisoner.
Kyiv has also released a list of the Russian kit which has been destroyed so far in the conflict.
This has been detailed by our security and defence editor Deborah Haynes below. | This user would like to thank Pancakes for this useful post: | | 
27.02.2022, 16:16
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I agree. And this will be then the real test if NATO Article 5 is worth anything. As Tom Nichols put it some days ago, "Putin will say let's see about that when the bullets fly".
But we are in a new era. We crossed the Rubicon. And I am afraid this will only end when Putin is dead. | | | | | And who comes after Putin?
His presidency is set to end in 24 and the few hand picked politicians waiting in wings as it were are pretty much all hardliners. Even if he were to die in office it seems that his successors will continue the course.
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27.02.2022, 16:17
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | No, because these are direct nato states. | | | | | yes, because he want to resurrect ussr at least. if nato will piss in pants now it will in pants later when this crazy man spread another video when he order to set nuke weapons to high alert because someone say something about him (which is ridiculous)
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27.02.2022, 16:18
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | But we are in a new era. We crossed the Rubicon. And I am afraid this will only end when Putin is dead. | | | | | Who knows maybe it happens today. In the last eight years I've wanted desperately to live long enough to witness this moment.
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27.02.2022, 16:18
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And who comes after Putin?
His presidency is set to end in 24 and the few hand picked politicians waiting in wings as it were are pretty much all hardliners. Even if he were to die in office it seems that his successors will continue the course. | | | | | What can I say, good point. | 
27.02.2022, 16:20
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And who comes after Putin?
His presidency is set to end in 24 | | | | | LOL. Another misinformation from you. He's going to reign till the death.
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27.02.2022, 16:20
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Since the situation in Ukraine has turned into a war, Turkey will implement 'all provisions of Montreux Convention in a transparent manner', FM Cavusoglu said, @anadoluagency reported.
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27.02.2022, 16:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | LOL. Another misinformation from you. He's going to reign till the death. | | | | | And even after that he'll rest like Lenin...maybe this is what he's dreaming of? To be elevated at the "Sainthood" level?
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27.02.2022, 16:25
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and btw, DEFCON is on alert level 4 since 16 Feb
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27.02.2022, 16:26
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Antonov An-225 Mriya, the biggest aircraft in the world, was burned down. My father participated in the design of this aircraft.
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27.02.2022, 16:27
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And who comes after Putin?
His presidency is set to end in 24 and the few hand picked politicians waiting in wings as it were are pretty much all hardliners. Even if he were to die in office it seems that his successors will continue the course. | | | | | That's why we cannot still push out the Russians (as a whole nation) from European culture and mentality. It's extremely important to show them that we want to embrace them as sane, rational people. Because otherwise they will always stick to another tzar-alike, sociopathic leader like Lenin/Stalin/Putin/***in.
I believe the European values are somewhere in them, and you can see that by the scale of protests in Russia (even though that's very risky for those people).
And I'm saying that as a Polish citizen, so it requires a lot of counter-intuitive thinking from me | This user would like to thank Excad for this useful post: | | 
27.02.2022, 16:28
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This is Articles 5 and 6. Enough weasel words to drive a Russian Tank Division through. Article 5
“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.
Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”
This article is complemented by Article 6, which stipulates:
Article 6
“For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.” | 
27.02.2022, 16:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Antonov An-225 Mriya, the biggest aircraft in the world, was burned down. My father participated in the design of this aircraft. | | | | | oh . hope on reparations they will build couple more
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27.02.2022, 16:30
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | LOL. Another misinformation from you. He's going to reign till the death. | | | | | Taken from Politco, a moderate, left leaning magazin from the Springer Verlag. https://www.politico.eu/article/who-...ussia-kremlin/ | 
27.02.2022, 16:32
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Article, posted by mistake: here we can clearly see their goals
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27.02.2022, 16:51
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So Putin has put the nuclear forces on alert … https://apnews.com/article/russia-uk...e5a2f936725550
I’m really not trying to be an alarmist, but I’m a little scared. I have a friend that is even more scared / lives alone and reached out to me to find out where these famous Swiss bunkers are located. Probably not a bad idea to know right now … is there a place to locate them in your neighborhood? I know some buildings already have them.
I didn’t think Putin would ever be that mad - but now I don’t know what to think.
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27.02.2022, 16:56
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So where to read about negotiations UA<->RU?
so far I see only this https://twitter.com/ZelenskyyUa/stat...ES6JZqcw5Ve8mg | 
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Article, posted by mistake: here we can clearly see their goals | | | | | This article, it's narrative, is exactly what I was talking about. Russia is telling tenaciously to us that Eastern Europe wants to come back to the fu***** warm Motherland, because we're missing it so much.
Russia (USSR) is like your older brother, that was abusing, beating you and stealing your toys and sweets in the past. At some point you got separated and you started to build your own life without him, even though that it's not always easy, because you carry many scars (both mental and physical).
Now, after years this brother is back and looks to get along. But you know he hasn't changed and still has his club in hand. So all you have to say to him is:
- Just f*** off, will you? I don't want your help, I'm healing myself, things start to work for me because you're not here. Go back to wherever your are, leave me alone, I don't trust your words and promises. I don't care that you're my "family". You never said sorry or regretted anything and you still don't want to do that. I have different aspirations and for me it's not about solving things with clubs now. So just stay the f*** away and let me live my life.
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27.02.2022, 17:01
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | This article, it's narrative, is exactly what I was talking about. Russia is telling tenaciously to us that Eastern Europe wants to come back to the fu***** warm Motherland, because we're missing it so much.
Russia (USSR) is like your older brother, that was abusing, beating you and stealing your toys and sweets in the past. At some point you got separated and you started to build your own life without him, even though that it's not always easy, because you carry many scars (both mental and physical).
Now, after years this brother is back and looks to get along. But you know he hasn't changed and still has his club in hand. So all you have to say to him is:
- Just f*** off, will you? I don't want your help, I'm healing myself, things start to work for me because you're not there. Go back to wherever your are, leave me alone, I don't trust your words and promises. I don't care that you're my "family". You never said sorry or regretted anything and you still don't want to do that. I have different aspirations and for me it's not about solving things with clubs now. So just f*** off and let me live my life. | | | | | bigger brother, dumber, but definitely not older
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