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27.02.2022, 18:51
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Saw that. I wonder who will/can buy this. Can only be some Chinese state firm. And they will pay pennies on the dollar. | | | | | More likely kopeks on the rouble.
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27.02.2022, 18:58
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At least the Turks have clarified that they won't close the Bosphorus.
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Turkish foreign minister: Turkey recognizes the Russian invasion to Ukraine as "war"
From CNN's Isil Sariyuce in Istanbul
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said on Sunday that Turkey has decided that Russia’s invasion to Ukraine is a “war”.
“Is this a conflict or a war? We decided on that. Article 19 of the Montreux Convention is very clear. This is a war.” he said in a live interview to CNN Turk.
Turkey’s recognition is important for the application of 1936 Montreux Convention that regulates naval passage through the Turkish straits.
The Montreux Convention gives Turkey certain control over the passage of war ships from Dardanelles and Bosporus Straits that connect the Aegean, the Marmara, and the Black Sea.
In peace times war ships can pass the straits by prior diplomatic notification with certain limitations about the weight of the ships and arms they carry depending on the ship if it belongs to is a Black Sea country or not.
During wartime, when Turkey is not at war, warships can use the straits except for those belonging to belligerent states.
According to the convention, if Turkey is a party of the war or considers itself threatened with imminent danger of war, it can shut down the straits to the passage of warships that have a coast onto the Black Sea or not.
However, as Çavuşoğlu mentions the article 19 of the Montreux Convention provides an exception. The war ships of belligerent countries can return to their base of origin in Black Sea.
“Now this conflict has turned into a war, in this case, this is how we apply Montreux for the parties, Russia or Ukraine. Article 19 provides an exception. If the ship of the war country will return to its port, an exception is made. We will implement all the provisions of Montreux with transparency.”
This means even if Turkey bans, Russian and Ukrainian ships can return to their base of origin. Çavuşoğlu said when applying the exception countries should abuse the clause. And added “I explain Montreux and Turkey’s position."
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27.02.2022, 19:02
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Of course it's true. Ukrainians had to create a special website for their mothers and open 3 hotlines. There are plenty of videos with captives. | | | | | Thanks... I guess I hadn't seen that in the news. I've been having awful migraines the past few days so have been a bit limited in terms of keeping up to date with everything.
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27.02.2022, 19:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Irish and Bermuda lessors of Aeroflot’s and S7’s aircraft apparently have terminated their lease agreements and recalled their aircraft. This will affect not only international flights (which already are subject to flight bans) but many domestic flights as well.
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27.02.2022, 19:15
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Some towns in the region of Lugansk (occupied and deoccupied in the last few days) are on the verge of the humanitarian catastrophe. People hide in the basements without food and water, nobody can provide them with supplies or evacuate them due to heavy fire from Russians. If some Russian troll tells you about their "brothers in L/DNR who they want to free from Ukrainian neo-Nazis" just tell them "Russian military ship, f*** off".
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27.02.2022, 19:21
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Thanks... I guess I hadn't seen that in the news. I've been having awful migraines the past few days so have been a bit limited in terms of keeping up to date with everything. | | | | | It's probably not so easy to get information if you don't understand Russian and/or Ukrainian. There are so many videos in the Intenet filmed by our army or civilians that it's not possible to watch them all. Plenty of abandoned Russian military vehicles, shooting on the streets, interviews with captives, lots of new poems, music videos, appeals from different Russian, Ukrainian, Belorusian people to the soldiers of Russian and Belorusian military forces and to their parents. I'm watching them all day today.
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27.02.2022, 19:35
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | More and more signs of Russia's isolation. Russia summons Israeli ambassador, said to ask: ‘Why are you backing Nazis?
For me the interesting question is how far is he able to go before generals and oligarchs stop him as he seems to be losing the plot. It's clear quite a lot of power is concentrated with him, but at what point do the generals decide that his personal political future is at the expense of the world basically | | | | | This is potty. Ukrainian President Zelenskyy is Jewish... | 
27.02.2022, 19:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | This is potty. Ukrainian President Zelenskyy is Jewish... | | | | | That also shows the insanity of Putin…..
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27.02.2022, 19:58
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Dear EU citizens, a reminder list of local politicians in your country of origin that have flirted with Putin in the last 20 years: | Quote: |  | | | Putin’s European pals have to eat their words
The Kremlin’s invasion of Ukraine is a big embarrassment to European politicians who got too close to Putin. | | | | | https://www.politico.eu/article/vlad...-viktor-orban/
Until a few days ago, Marine Le Pen blamed the US for Russia reading 100+K soldiers to attack Ukraine. Even more recently Alex Salmond, Scottish politician had a show in Russia's English media (Russia Today). Matteo Salvini was even recorded on video telling "euro leaders have to be idiots to fight Russia" after the invasion of Crimea. Former German chancellor Gerhard Schröder has supported Putin and describing him as "flawless democrat". And the list doesn't stop there.
It's almost unbelievable that Putin put a lot of effort in networking with European politicians, only to burn everything in less than a week. The former friends pretend nothing ever happened and want to continue their careers. Hopefully, not.
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27.02.2022, 20:09
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I have one in my basement, but the big vault like door is gone. And I only have it stocked with potato chips, liquor, beer, and wine. And a few cigars.
The kid won’t be happy, but I will.  | | | | | "door is gone", these damn Swiss steal everything
Complain to your landlord and demand the last renter brings it back | 
27.02.2022, 20:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Or his friends who may not be able to access their bank accounts nor fly to their yachts etc etc | | | | | Or not be able to draw foreign currency out of their foreign currency accounts in Russian banks; see central bank sanctions.
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27.02.2022, 20:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
"The European Union (EU) is closing its airspace to Russia, said European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen.
“We are proposing a prohibition on all Russian-owned, Russian-registered and Russian-controlled aircraft. These aircraft will no more be able to land in, take off or overfly the territory of the European Union. This will apply to any plane,” von der Leyen said.
“Our airspace will be closed to every Russian plane. And that includes the private jets of oligarchs too," she added.
The UK has also banned Russian private jets from its airspace on Friday.
Top EU diplomat Josep Borrell also announced a ban for Russian news outlets Russia Today and Sputnik."
Edit "More than half of the central bank reserves of Russia will be blocked as part of new EU sanctions against the country, the EU's top diplomat Josep Borrell announced on Sunday."
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27.02.2022, 20:34
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27.02.2022, 20:43
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | The article omits the the actual ruling politicians from both France and Germany who got over Crime and Donetsk/Lugansk occupation and tried to sell helicopter carriers or circumvent Ukraine for gas deliveries. These two countries post-Brexit have the most sway over EU politics, and could be easily blamed as the real enablers. But they keep their rhetoric carefully in check.
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The article omits the the actual ruling politicians from both France and Germany who got over Crime and Donetsk/Lugansk occupation and tried to sell helicopter carriers or circumvent Ukraine for gas deliveries. These two countries post-Brexit have the most sway over EU politics, and could be easily blamed as the real enablers. But they keep their rhetoric carefully in check. | | | | | No idea who you are referring to but you might want to do a fact check instead of trolling.
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27.02.2022, 21:00
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The article omits the the actual ruling politicians from both France and Germany who got over Crime and Donetsk/Lugansk occupation and tried to sell helicopter carriers or circumvent Ukraine for gas deliveries. These two countries post-Brexit have the most sway over EU politics, and could be easily blamed as the real enablers. But they keep their rhetoric carefully in check. | | | | | Then again Germany has just announced a 100 billion hike for the Bundeswehr.
Other countries are following suit, so thanks Putin for making the world a bit more militaristic.
Who knows, maybe Germany will follow Strauß´s Plan and get a few nukes of their own.
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27.02.2022, 21:02
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
As I am now on a fast learning curve to become a nuclear expert also, I am sharing this tweet from what sounds like someone who has a clue about Russian nuclear things.
Link to thread provided by UN Institute for Disarmament Research: https://twitter.com/UNIDIR/status/1497972229618946055
The actual thread: https://twitter.com/russianforces/st...57650729943042 | 
27.02.2022, 21:05
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Scary stuff indeed. I wonder if Perimeter is still active, the so-called "dead man swicht?"
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27.02.2022, 21:14
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There are two demos in Zurich tomorrow: at 14 and at 19-30. We plan to go to the second one, because the kids are still at school at 14.
| | | | | Where? I couldn't find anything solid on this. Might go, if office turbulence will allow.
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