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01.03.2022, 19:01
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | russians already captured chernobyl' power plant | | | | | It has more a symbolic meaning to their agenda than any practical use of it being a secured historic sight at the moment. However, the notion of whatever nuclear in aggressors hands sends and awe and terror across the other western nations. Element of threat and propaganda works on their part.
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01.03.2022, 19:38
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | russians already captured chernobyl' power plant | | | | | No idea what the Russians could do with that.
The highly radioactive parts are within a huge concrete containment, even if the Russians could breakthrough that structure then the level of radioactivity would be so high as to soon kill anybody around.
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01.03.2022, 19:41
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | No idea what the Russians could do with that.
The highly radioactive parts are within a huge concrete containment, even if the Russians could breakthrough that structure then the level of radioactivity would be so high as to soon kill anybody around. | | | | | That’s why this whole invasion is called a suicidal mission. | The following 2 users would like to thank jacek for this useful post: | | 
01.03.2022, 19:58
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Lots of stories around that a large part of the Russian invasion force are young conscripts who were not told they were going into a combat zone and prefer surrendering to fighting.
Many Ukrainians are Russian speaking, can speak directly to these Russian troops and so can dilute any propaganda they are fed.
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01.03.2022, 20:02
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | No idea what the Russians could do with that.
The highly radioactive parts are within a huge concrete containment, even if the Russians could breakthrough that structure then the level of radioactivity would be so high as to soon kill anybody around. | | | | | create dirty bomb from radioactive waste and use it somewhere. then say its all ukraine who did this. childish but they can do this
or use it for covering their airbase
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01.03.2022, 20:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Lots of stories around that a large part of the Russian invasion force are young conscripts who were not told they were going into a combat zone and prefer surrendering to fighting.
Many Ukrainians are Russian speaking, can speak directly to these Russian troops and so can dilute any propaganda they are fed. | | | | | Very soon it will end up being more like in this context https://youtu.be/8kG9j5Io6yw | 
01.03.2022, 20:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | create dirty bomb from radioactive waste and use it somewhere. then say its all ukraine who did this. childish but they can do this
or use it for covering their airbase | | | | | Really not practical to do that, such waste is both difficult and very dangerous to collect, anybody trying to deliver such a highly radioactive bomb would not live long.
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01.03.2022, 20:19
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Really not practical to do that, such waste is both difficult and very dangerous to collect, anybody trying to deliver such a highly radioactive bomb would not live long. | | | | | Human life has 0 value for putin. However, I also don't think they're after a dirty bomb.
My speculation is that this was part of their blitzkreig plan to "secure" it in order to spin a story that the Ukrainians were trying to sabotage it in order to create a risk for Europe. As we know now, the blitzkreig failed and they ended up taking it and now they are stuck there.
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01.03.2022, 20:46
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | No idea what the Russians could do with that.
The highly radioactive parts are within a huge concrete containment, even if the Russians could breakthrough that structure then the level of radioactivity would be so high as to soon kill anybody around. | | | | | What to do with it..? Oh, that´s an easy one.
Cernobyl is still a working nuke plant as only one of the reactors blew. As far as I know the others are still active and supplying power to UA. With that in their hand they control UA`s powersupply.
But if they do want to weaponize it then all they have to do is to detonate a thermobaric device on a timer in an inspection hatch.
BOOM!
UA will not join Nato as there will be no UA, won´t be much of us left too for that matter, if the wind is blowing from the east, which it will be around easter.
Then it´s a win win for Putin, nobody gets UA, the EU is crippled without a shot being fired and we get to watch our kids grow up glowing in the dark with six fingers.
Just checked, the other reactors went offline in 2000, so it´s just the bomb down the inspection hatch.
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01.03.2022, 21:05
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Chernobyl is on the shortest route west of Dnieper river from Gomel in Belarus to Kiev.
Russian army had a staging area near Gomel (called "military drills*).
Certainly, being able to seize a large chunk of electricity generation is crippling to the country as well but any discussions of digging out the melted core are hopefully completely missing the point.
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01.03.2022, 21:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Echo Moskvyi and TV Doshd - two of the last semi-critical news orgs in Russia - have apparently just been shut down.
Vova is doubling down. This guy has no exit lane. Scary shit.
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | What to do with it..? Oh, that´s an easy one.
Cernobyl is still a working nuke plant as only one of the reactors blew. As far as I know the others are still active and supplying power to UA. With that in their hand they control UA`s powersupply.
But if they do want to weaponize it then all they have to do is to detonate a thermobaric device on a timer in an inspection hatch.
BOOM!
UA will not join Nato as there will be no UA, won´t be much of us left too for that matter, if the wind is blowing from the east, which it will be around easter.
Then it´s a win win for Putin, nobody gets UA, the EU is crippled without a shot being fired and we get to watch our kids grow up glowing in the dark with six fingers.
Just checked, the other reactors went offline in 2000, so it´s just the bomb down the inspection hatch. | | | | | This is just nonsense, sorry. If there is a nuclear danger, it surely doesn't come from Chernobyl.
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01.03.2022, 21:11
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | This is just nonsense, sorry. If there is a nuclear danger, it surely doesn't come from Chernobyl. | | | | | Just speculating, have to admit though that it would be some Blofeld level of evilness.
Does Putin have a white cat?
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01.03.2022, 21:17
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"Today, February 24, 2022, the war began. I believed that my generation, born during the Second World War, was lucky and would be allowed to live without war until death, promised by the Church "in peace, without pain, sorrow and sigh." But no. It turns out that's not the case. And it is unknown at this time what he will do after leaving the post.
The madness of one man and his accomplices rules the fate of the country. For now, we can only assume what will be written in history textbooks in fifty years. Pain, fear, shame - that's what we feel now.
Pain - because war affects everything alive - grass and trees, the animals and their cubs, people and their children.
Fear - because there is, biologically speaking, the instinct to preserve one's own life and the lives of one's descendants.
Shame - because the responsibility of our country's leadership for the created situation is very obvious, with disastrous consequences for all mankind.
And we are all part of what is happening today, all of us, contemporaries of these dramatic events, because we have not been able to anticipate and stop them. The war that has just erupted must be stopped immediately, and a strong opposition must be created against the false propaganda that is pouring out on us through all the media channels. "
Russian writer Lyudmila Evgenyevna Ulitskaya in a letter to one of her publishers in Europe, Editura Humanitas
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01.03.2022, 21:18
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Just speculating, have to admit though that it would be some Blofeld level of evilness.
Does Putin have a white cat? | | | | | Seems he's a dog lover: https://russianlife.com/stories/online/putins-pooches/ | 
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Even more embarrassing for the Russians, it appears that Aeroflot’s crews have been told to declare their flights as being humanitarian to cross restricted airspace. One flight, SU111 from Los Angeles to Moscow was actually permitted to travel through Canadian airspace. Two subsequent flights from Miami and Washington were diverted around Canada despite also declaring to be humanitarian.
Why not just paint a giant red cross on the planes?
But why haven’t the US banned Russian overflights?
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Interestingly, the now-famous column on it's way to Kiev hasn't moved in the last 24 hours
It sounds they are suffering a humanitarian crisis as well!
"...had not made any advances in the past 24 hours, frozen in place by logistics problems, short on fuel and food, and perhaps pausing to reassess tactics..." Unconfirmed reports on social media claim it's Russian soldiers draining the gasoline in order to stall the movement as they don't want to fight.
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01.03.2022, 21:35
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Interestingly, the now-famous column on it's way to Kiev hasn't moved in the last 24 hours
It sounds they are suffering a humanitarian crisis as well!
"...had not made any advances in the past 24 hours, frozen in place by logistics problems, short on fuel and food, and perhaps pausing to reassess tactics..." Unconfirmed reports on social media claim it's Russian soldiers draining the gasoline in order to stall the movement as they don't want to fight. | | | | | Has anyone got a match or lighter?
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01.03.2022, 21:39
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Interestingly, the now-famous column on it's way to Kiev hasn't moved in the last 24 hours
It sounds they are suffering a humanitarian crisis as well!
"...had not made any advances in the past 24 hours, frozen in place by logistics problems, short on fuel and food, and perhaps pausing to reassess tactics..." Unconfirmed reports on social media claim it's Russian soldiers draining the gasoline in order to stall the movement as they don't want to fight. | | | | | Hopefully the way out. Russian soldiers simply refusing to fight, a mutiny could snap right back to the kremlin.
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01.03.2022, 21:48
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Hopefully the way out. Russian soldiers simply refusing to fight, a mutiny could snap right back to the kremlin. | | | | | An amazing thought. There were reports of units surrendering without a fight. Imagine the Russian army basically switching sides.
I am afraid there are other units though, especially in artillery and air force who simply don't see what they are doing.
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