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Old 01.03.2022, 21:55
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An amazing thought. There were reports of units surrendering without a fight. Imagine the Russian army basically switching sides.

I am afraid there are other units though, especially in artillery and air force who simply don't see what they are doing.
It´s happened before, when Ceaușescu ordered his troops to fire on civilians they turned their guns around.
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Old 01.03.2022, 21:55
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An amazing thought. There were reports of units surrendering without a fight. Imagine the Russian army basically switching sides.

I am afraid there are other units though, especially in artillery and air force who simply don't see what they are doing.
Everyone hopes that the sanity will eventually prevail sooner than later and closely tied historically two nations will reunite seeing a bigger picture of propaganda and mislead.
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Old 01.03.2022, 21:59
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Everyone hopes that the sanity will eventually prevail sooner than later and closely tied historically two nations will reunite seeing a bigger picture of propaganda and mislead.
Unfortunately it's very hard to re-unite after spilling each other's blood. I'm afraid hatred is now much deeper rooted than before and even if people understand on an intellectual level that it was putin's fault, hate is an emotion, not a intellectual choice.

In somewhat Swiss related news, Nord Stream 2 files for bankruptcy firing all 106 employees in Zug
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Old 01.03.2022, 22:21
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I am afraid there are other units though, especially in artillery and air force who simply don't see what they are doing.
they will. 3 jets bombing Kharkiv today was downed. One pilot committed suicide, 2 other captured
the 1st one definitely knew what he did
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Old 01.03.2022, 22:25
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they will. 3 jets bombing Kharkiv today was downed. One pilot committed suicide, 2 other captured
the 1st one definitely knew what he did
That is sad, what made him so afraid?
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Old 01.03.2022, 22:29
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It´s happened before, when Ceaușescu ordered his troops to fire on civilians they turned their guns around.
It is a totally different situations and frankly I don't even know why is mentioned so often, that wasn't a war with another country, that was a demented dictator that ordered the troops to stop the mass protests.

I only find similarities in the fact that they both were in power for over 20 years when they got completely out of control, they both ruled somehow isolated and with no feedback from other people than their own loyal clique.
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Old 01.03.2022, 22:32
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That is sad, what made him so afraid?
Sad?
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That is sad, what made him so afraid?
what is sad for you?
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Old 01.03.2022, 22:38
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

That a soldier, regardless of the blazon on his jacket, decided it would be better to die than be taken captive.
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Old 01.03.2022, 22:41
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Really, really collateral victims, there are also foreign students desperate to leave UA..
An Indian student died in Harkov
https://twitter.com/MEAIndia/status/1498591112188989442

Fortunately many foreign students in Ukraine found refuge in Ro and Hu and were later transported to their home country

https://www.businesstoday.in/industr...178-2022-02-28
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Old 01.03.2022, 22:44
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That a soldier, regardless of the blazon on his jacket, decided it would be better to die than be taken captive.
A pilot will be an officer, a professional. Who had no problem dropping bombs on cities, then is coward enough not facing the probably mild consequences. Maybe a victim of propaganda, of course.

I say f--- him.
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Old 01.03.2022, 22:46
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Interestingly, the now-famous column on it's way to Kiev hasn't moved in the last 24 hours

It sounds they are suffering a humanitarian crisis as well!

"...had not made any advances in the past 24 hours, frozen in place by logistics problems, short on fuel and food, and perhaps pausing to reassess tactics..."

Unconfirmed reports on social media claim it's Russian soldiers draining the gasoline in order to stall the movement as they don't want to fight.
I am sure the Russian military leaders are top of their class on strategy and planning so either they have a very clever plan that they are following or they have some severe problems in their command infrastructure so blocking the people on the ground from implementing their plans.

It will likely take two or three days before we see how well their plans are being realised or not.
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Old 01.03.2022, 22:51
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I am sure the Russian military leaders are top of their class on strategy and planning so either they have a very clever plan that they are following or they have some severe problems in their command infrastructure so blocking the people on the ground from implementing their plans.

It will likely take two or three days before we see how well their plans are being realised or not.
those "clever" strategists now have the only option is to terrorize civilians using rockets and bombs. Didn't know that demilitarization including destroying homes, schools, hospitals
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That a soldier, regardless of the blazon on his jacket, decided it would be better to die than be taken captive.
poor poor soldier, which clearly understands that after all the shit he did, he will no die easily
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Old 01.03.2022, 22:53
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I am sure the Russian military leaders are top of their class on strategy and planning
Was this meant ironically? I honestly do not see any evidence for that.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Since I cannot sleep good these days a live dream brought me an idea. Feel free to use your imagination, criticise and point out possible repercussions:

What if we (as NATO and EU community) strike a deal with Russian citizens, basically saying:

"Get rid of Putin & Co. and we welcome you in NATO and EU."

How to get rid of them? Your choice, Russian citizens.

Since there are already heavy protests in Russia maybe that would add a good amount of fuel to the already ignited fire.
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Old 02.03.2022, 00:03
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those "clever" strategists now have the only option is to terrorize civilians using rockets and bombs. Didn't know that demilitarization including destroying homes, schools, hospitals
Also they destroyed:
- The biggest aircraft in the world
- The museum of the painter Maria Primachenko (1909 - 1997)
- The biggest square in Europe
And the most impressive so far: their rocket killed 5 persons in Babiy Yar - a museum on the site of massacres carried out by Nazi Germany's forces during its campaign against the Soviet Union in World War II where approximately 34 000 Jews were killed. I hope every Jew in the world sees the video with the burned bodies of a civilian family that was walking in the park. Now the similarity between Putin and Hitler becomes complete.

I believe they will destroy much more cultural heritage in Kiev and other cities im the next days. Probably some of the unique churches and cathedrals. Maybe even the ones that belong to the Russian Orthodox Church.

I hope they will destroy the People's Friendship Arch that symbolises the friendship between Russia and Ukraine. It's ugly anyway and this act will be very symbolic. Maybe we should have destroyed it ourselves long ago.


The good news (for me) is that my parents went to the west of Ukraine. They were standing in the train for 10 hours, but now they are sleeping in a bed in a friend's home. Tomorrow they'll try to cross the border.
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Old 02.03.2022, 00:08
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poor poor soldier, which clearly understands that after all the shit he did, he will no die easily
Some people think that the heavy bombing of Kharkiv was done to make Ukrainian soldiers angry so that they don't take captives and don't make videos with their cries on the phone: "Mom, I didn't know where we would go. Please take me home. I don't want to fight. I don't know what I was doing here."
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Since there are already heavy protests in Russia
Heavy protests in Ukraine
Heavy protests in Russia
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

What awaits us ?
A cloud has fallen on our shore
The mighty hand and sword of Putin's war
And I'll be brave, be strong, be true, my love
And I'll be waiting for you, forever ..........
My love you march to war defiant
May god returneth you triumphant
And you'll be brave, be strong, be true, my love
And I'll be waiting for you, forever ..........
"And remember this above all: Our Ukrainian gods are watching.
make sure They are not ashamed !"
How can I wait unknowing ?
This is the price of war
We rise with noble intentions
And we risk all that is pure
We are only as great as our hearts will allow
What awaits us ?
Forever ...............

What will become of us ? What will be, will be
But I hope and I pray, every single day
You'll come to me, come home to me, come home to me ...........

A haunting melody from Rome ( now Kyiv ) Total War.

What awaits us ? - From Rome ( now Kyiv ) Total War music video

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