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02.03.2022, 19:47
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I suppose this makes a change from the threat from the Covid-19 virus for this thread to appear on our everyday Daily Life on English Forum Switzerland. Maybe next we will be discarding our facemasks for tailored NBC suits ? https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...ar-bunker.html | This user would like to thank John William for this useful post: | | 
02.03.2022, 20:05
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I suppose this makes a change from the threat from the Covid-19 virus for this thread to appear on our everyday Daily Life on English Forum Switzerland. Maybe next we will be discarding our facemasks for tailored NBC suits ? | | | | | Please no.
I couldn't stand another thread with certain members complaining that their NBC suit is the wrong colour, their neighbour is wearing theirs inside out or homemade cloth ones are a waste of time and effort.
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02.03.2022, 20:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Putin is preparing a surprise as per his previous threats. | | | | | That is something that we can only hope for.
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02.03.2022, 20:41
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Just as a reminder, by now the unbeatable soviet army should have been on the Rhine. Watching sky news, the poor English and American military experts are completely lost as to why is the convoy stuck for a 3rd day; they simply haven't seen such level of incompetence and certainly didn't expect it from the mighty soviet army.
Should we start to worry about the developing humanitarian crisis amongst the convoy which apparently lacks drinking water and is surviving on expired food packets?
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02.03.2022, 20:51
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
China's silence speaks volumes. They don't want to vote with Putin to upset the West, and they don't want to vote against him for fear of being branded as hypocrites when they annex Taiwan.
Of which..when China annexes Taiwan, I doubt it will be with such a gentle prologue.
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02.03.2022, 20:59
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? Victoria Nuland Admits Washington Has Spent 5 Billion to Subvert Ukraine https://muse.ai/v/rTp3k3q-Victoria-N...ubvert-Ukraine
How would the US react if Russia did something similar in Mexico?
Why US export of its "democracy" always creates instability and war?
btw Ukraine seems to have a Nazi problem (Source Reuters): https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1GV2TY
After all, the war is good news for the arm industry in the world and guess who will profit most?
USA, 59% of all world wide arms export (Russia second with only 8.6%): https://www.produktion.de/wirtschaft...-welt-127.html Lockheed Martin Corporation share price up to 450 from 394 prev. month
And not a single american soldier will die in this war.
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02.03.2022, 21:05
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | China's silence speaks volumes. They don't want to vote with Putin to upset the West, and they don't want to vote against him for fear of being branded as hypocrites when they annex Taiwan.
Of which..when China annexes Taiwan, I doubt it will be with such a gentle prologue. | | | | | If they do, their military will be ready, competent and far from the shitshow the Russians are. Too early to say what the Chinese will take away from this example here. But they will be eager students.
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02.03.2022, 21:12
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
btw Ukraine seems to have a Nazi problem (Source Reuters): https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1GV2TY
The last statement of this commentary by Josh Cohen (in March 2018) was indeed prescient:
There’s no easy way to eradicate the virulent far-right extremism that has been poisoning Ukrainian politics and public life, but without vigorous and immediate efforts to counteract it, it may soon endanger the state itself. | The following 5 users groan at Dandy for this post: | | 
02.03.2022, 21:14
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Sure…. Please go trolling somewhere else?
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02.03.2022, 21:18
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | it may soon endanger the state itself. | | | | | You've obviously been on a ski vacation for the past 7 days, the state is indeed endangered as Ukraine was attacked by Russia. Check your favorite non-propaganda news site, it should be the leading news.
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02.03.2022, 21:19
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Just as a reminder, by now the unbeatable soviet army should have been on the Rhine. Watching sky news, the poor English and American military experts are completely lost as to why is the convoy stuck for a 3rd day; they simply haven't seen such level of incompetence and certainly didn't expect it from the mighty soviet army.
Should we start to worry about the developing humanitarian crisis amongst the convoy which apparently lacks drinking water and is surviving on expired food packets? | | | | | The US Pentagon said today the convoy is delayed and meeting Ukraine resistance but did not give any details, they also said: "due to insufficient supplies of fuel and also food to sustain soldiers".
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02.03.2022, 21:23
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
If one looks to Twitter, it seems like half of the Western world is promoting direct US/NATO intervention "to save lives". Absolute madness.
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02.03.2022, 21:23
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Of which..when China annexes Taiwan, I doubt it will be with such a gentle prologue. | | | | | not sure what you mean by this, but i suspect there's a lot of re-calculation going on in beijing and taipei. the global united sanction effort is powerful and china is a lot more connected to world trade and therefore more vulnerable than russia.
although china probably already calculated that reunification by force would come with too high a price tag, i think recent events confirm that. the interesting thing is whether this emboldens taiwan to declare independence and dare china to do something about it.
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02.03.2022, 21:25
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | btw Ukraine seems to have a Nazi problem (Source Reuters): https://www.reuters.com/article/us-c...-idUSKBN1GV2TY
The last statement of this commentary by Josh Cohen (in March 2018) was indeed prescient:
There’s no easy way to eradicate the virulent far-right extremism that has been poisoning Ukrainian politics and public life, but without vigorous and immediate efforts to counteract it, it may soon endanger the state itself. | | | | | You do know this state democratically voted in a Jewish president in 2019, an unusual way to demonstrate "a Nazi problem".
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02.03.2022, 21:32
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Just as a reminder, by now the unbeatable soviet army should have been on the Rhine. Watching sky news, the poor English and American military experts are completely lost as to why is the convoy stuck for a 3rd day; they simply haven't seen such level of incompetence and certainly didn't expect it from the mighty soviet army.
Should we start to worry about the developing humanitarian crisis amongst the convoy which apparently lacks drinking water and is surviving on expired food packets? | | | | |
Perhaps they fell for the old Dads Army trick with the Ukrainians changing the roadsigns for Kyiv to redirect the invading Russians away from the Ukrainian capital, as I believe Russian soldiers are banned from using
mobile phones while on active service.
Which takes me back to the 1940's where it can be revealed that the sleepy village of Great Snoring in Norfolk was spared from the being on
Germany´s Operation Sea Lion invasion route by thwarting any Nazi spies
mapping the route, when the local Home Guard buried the milestones pointing to the village.
Thus ensuring that the good citizens of Great Snooring could sleep comfortably in their beds at night, if the invasion came. Mail Online - Signpost to Great Snooring removed to thwart German invaders in 1940
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Surely the time has come for Boris to 'circle the wagons' for a bit of herd immunity ?
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02.03.2022, 21:34
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Yes, Ukraine definitely has far right groups. However, this is a state weakened by a permanent war at its frontiers and such pressure brews radical responses. Compare this however with Germany where openly revisionist party, AfD, has 10.3% in the federal parliament, or France, where openly revisionist candidates have good chances of getting to the 2nd round. So, this is not just Ukraine's problem and you're detracting the discussion here.
Ah, unless you would like to somehow justify Russia's invasion. Good luck, maybe look at how Russian Cossacks militia metes out "justice" to any legit Russian citizen worker from Caucasus republics and the hatred of white Russians toward these co-citizens. Cossacks to crack down on migrants in Russia | This user would like to thank Buenzli for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: |  | | | PRAGUE/WARSAW, March 2 (Reuters) - Russia's invasion of Ukraine and Vladimir Putin's comments that Moscow's nuclear deterrent is on high alert have unleashed a wave of anxiety in Central Europe, with people rushing to buy iodine which they believe may protect them from radiation.
From Poland to Bulgaria, people living in the former Soviet-era satellite states have also jammed passport offices, topped up their fuel tanks and prepared to leave at a moment's notice. | | | | | ...................... | Quote: |  | | | In Poland, the number of pharmacies selling iodine more than doubled, according to gdziepolek.pl, a Polish website that helps patients find the nearest pharmacy with a drug they are seeking.
"Internal data on our website shows that interest in iodine increased around 50 times since last Thursday," said Bartlomiej Owczarek, the website's co-founder. | | | | | https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...pe-2022-03-02/
And the news of the evening.....Roman Abramovich will sell Chelsea and use the money to finance a charitable organisation aimed at helping the victims of this Russian invasion......so, it is possible. First oligarch down?
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02.03.2022, 22:02
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | A couple of "what I reckon" observations from my side:
Putin is an experienced leader and military man, I don't think he thought this would be an easy war and a quick Ukraine rollover. He would have surely calculated several military scenarios.
The advice by Ukrainian authorities (if true) to get civilians to make Molotov cocktails and resist the Russians is totally irresponsible. | | | | | 1. Putin not military
2. Molotov's one of the ways to stop russians inside cities
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02.03.2022, 22:04
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | not sure what you mean by this, but i suspect there's a lot of re-calculation going on in beijing and taipei. the global united sanction effort is powerful and china is a lot more connected to world trade and therefore more vulnerable than russia.
although china probably already calculated that reunification by force would come with too high a price tag, i think recent events confirm that. the interesting thing is whether this emboldens taiwan to declare independence and dare china to do something about it. | | | | | It goes both ways though. It will be very painful for China, but it would be very painful for the world too. And I mean significantly more painful than Russia for which we don't even know the true cost in terms of energy inflation and potential business losses
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Interesting discussion about drones, certainly the Ukrainian army uses them very well.
The question is if the weapons they carry are big enough to make a difference in modern warfare. Of course, you can fit them with bigger weapons but then you need to increase the size of the drone and so risk losing the benefit of being a small device that is hard to track and attack.
If you have something like the 40 mile long convoy mentioned earlier then a couple of drones are not going to achieve much against it. A different situation if you can identify small, high value targets to attack but that is not so easy. | | | | | drones in such case used for aiming and artillery aiming adjusting purposes
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