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06.03.2022, 10:05
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Sanctions, embargo, blockades are all a form of siege warfare and that is what these sanctions against Russia are.
One goal of sanctions is to enable the so-called Veto-fraction, that is to empower those with enough clout to effect a course change and I don´t see that happening in Russia.
But you are correct, sanctions are working, they disrupting and will keep on degrading normal life in Russia to the point where you could consider them a human rights violation. That is why the UNHRC generally frowns on large scale sanctions.
How far would you want Sanctions to go, and for how long?
Consider this: If left to his own devices Putin will take Ukraine, with or without sanctions. I do not doubt that for a moment. Then what? How long will sanctions last, long enough to force Russia to make deals with China or India?
There is no easy way out of this and regardless on what the west does they will be dammed if they do and dammed if they don´t leaving the only tried and tested method to stop the invasion of UA a military one. | | | | | In a resolution adopted on Friday, the UN Human Rights Council (UNHRC) in Geneva agreed to establish a commission to investigate violations committed during Russia’s military attack on Ukraine.
The resolution calls for the “swift and verifiable” withdrawal of Russian troops and Russian-backed armed groups from Ukraine and urges safe and unhindered humanitarian access to people in need.
They did not condemn western sanctions.
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06.03.2022, 10:18
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Slammer, he already announced the sanctions to be the act of war. In exactly these words.
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06.03.2022, 10:21
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Slammer, he already announced the sanctions to be the act of war. In exactly these words. | | | | | Ah...!
Let´s just hope it´s rhetoric.
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06.03.2022, 10:37
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I have my doubts about China as a peacemaker, particular in view of it's intentions with Taiwan. Which it
considers as nothing more than an island of rebels which it's never recognised as regards to any of it's
asprirations for independence or any form of autonomy. All that China seems to be doing with Taiwan is
counting the days before it regains control ofthe rebellious province by force.
In fact consider this plausible 'what if' namely China's golden opportunity to do just that now, invade
& retake Taiwan while the USA, NATO and the rest of the world are focussed on the Ukraine crisis. | | | | | Taiwan is the last remnant of the Republic of China (ROC). The mainland ROC was defeated in 48/49 by communist rebels who formed the Peoples Republic of China (PROC).
The PROC attempted to take Taiwan in 1949 but were defeated.
So it is not a question of "retake Taiwan" but "take Taiwan". Taiwan never belonged to the PROC.
As part of the 1945 World War II settlement, Japan handed Taiwan over to the ROC. Japan owned Taiwan since 1895 when it was part of their spoils from their war with the Qing empire.
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Ah...!
Let´s just hope it´s rhetoric. | | | | | Didn’t he actually say ‘akin to an act of war’ | Quote: |  | | | akin adjective
Of the same kin; related by blood.
Having a similar quality or character; analogous.
Sharing a common origin or an ancestral form. | | | | | Now obviously he didn’t say this in English so there may translation errors. But to me akin means similar to.
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06.03.2022, 10:44
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | He burnt the diplomatic bridges several days ago during each escalation. | | | | |
That's the key point! It's Russia that started the war and burned the bridges, every other alternative explanation is morally corrupt and sorry, disgusting.
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06.03.2022, 11:33
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Slammer, he already announced the sanctions to be the act of war. In exactly these words. | | | | | And in his distorted logic, invading Ukraine was an act of.....Peace? | The following 2 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
The Economist Asks: What will Vladimir Putin do next?
Anne McElvoy assesses what moves the Russian president will make. She asks General Sir Nick Carter, the former chief of Britain’s defence staff, and how Nato’s strategy might evolve. Plus, leading Russia expert Fiona Hill provides insight into the psyche of the Kremlin strongman and what would persuade him to call a ceasefire. https://open.spotify.com/episode/0vS...Tcmr76x_QBemVg | 
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Zelenski keeps on scoring massive points vs. putler.
I guess you've all seen the fabricated video in which Putin was supposedly having tea with Aeroflot pilots and stewardesses, but it was later revealed that he was "pasted" into the video without being physically there. Zelenski trolling Putin on a whole new level | This user would like to thank gaburko for this useful post: | | 
06.03.2022, 14:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Zelenski keeps on scoring massive points vs. putler.
I guess you've all seen the fabricated video in which Putin was supposedly having tea with Aeroflot pilots and stewardesses, but it was later revealed that he was "pasted" into the video without being physically there. Zelenski trolling Putin on a whole new level | | | | | So Putin keeps all his ministers and army chiefs at 5 meter distance as he is obsessed about Covid, but will sit around a table with Aerofloties up close?!?
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06.03.2022, 14:13
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | So Putin keeps all his ministers and army chiefs at 5 meter distance as he is obsessed about Covid, but will sit around a table with Aerofloties up close?!? | | | | | Well, the brainwashing in moscow has reached such levels that if they fabricate a video of him commanding his armies from the moon and attacking and winning against the aliens on Mars, the majority will probably believe it.
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06.03.2022, 14:23
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I guess you've all seen the fabricated video in which Putin was supposedly having tea with Aeroflot pilots and stewardesses, but it was later revealed that he was "pasted" into the video without being physically there. Zelenski trolling Putin on a whole new level | | | | | I don't know, this weird clip of where his hand goes through the mic also looks dodgy to me. Difficult to believe this was faked, you think he makes his little jokes with Masha there on green screen?
Pathetic either way.
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06.03.2022, 14:25
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Moldova has a very pro-EU government now....of course they are a target. I haven't read their press yesterday but I check it out from time to time. They received many refugees in the last days or week and are incredibly well organised and welcoming (but this hospitality, this warmth is at the core of Moldovian soul) for such a small country. | | | | | In the past couple of days both Moldova and Georgia copied Ukraine and applied for accelerated EU membership.
The UK Ministry of Defense said today: "Russian supply lines reportedly continue to be targeted, slowing the rate of advance of their ground forces. There is a realistic possibility that Russia is now attempting to conceal fuel trucks as regular support trucks to minimize losses".
In Ukraine a river of blood and tears is flowing,” the Pope said. “It is not just a military operation but a war which creates death and destruction!”
Whereas the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patrick Krill, Sunday called Moscow's opponents in Ukraine "evil forces", speaking on the fourth day of the Kremlin's invasion of its pro-Western neighbour.
Metropolitan Epiphanius I of Ukraine, leader of the independent Orthodox Christian Church based in Kyiv, celebrated Ukrainians’ defense of his country against Russian invaders on Sunday (Feb. 27) while likening Russian President Vladimir Putin to the Antichrist.
Just proves that whatever you need from a religion you will always find one that suits you.
Edit: "Pope Francis says he has dispatched two cardinals to Ukraine, a highly unusual move.
The pontiff said Sunday that “the Holy See is willing to do everything to put itself in service for peace.” The papal almsgiver, Cardinal Konrad Krajewski, has been dispatched with aid, along with Cardinal Michael Czerny, who is head of the papal office that deals with migration, charity, justice and peace.
Francis did not say where exactly the cardinals had gone, but said they represented him and all Christian people with the message that “war is madness.”"
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Zelenski keeps on scoring massive points vs. putler.
I guess you've all seen the fabricated video in which Putin was supposedly having tea with Aeroflot pilots and stewardesses, but it was later revealed that he was "pasted" into the video without being physically there. Zelenski trolling Putin on a whole new level | | | | | That took some courage. I love the look on his face.
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Whereas the head of the Russian Orthodox Church, Patrick Krill, Sunday called Moscow's opponents in Ukraine "evil forces", speaking on the fourth day of the Kremlin's invasion of its pro-Western neighbour.
| | | | | You mean Patriarch Kyrill. Patrick Krill sounds like a crab fisher from Maine.
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06.03.2022, 14:40
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | You mean Patriarch Kyrill. Patrick Krill sounds like a crab fisher from Maine. | | | | | Damned spell checker.
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Slammer, he already announced the sanctions to be the act of war. In exactly these words. | | | | | trade with me, otherwise i will nuke all of you!
L - logic
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Meanwhile Lavrov's minions have started another charme offensive. https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/statu...o7T-ZD9XA&s=19 |
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