Huh? The whole idea is to get them MiGs that their pilots are used to flying.

Well either that, or they are the same make and configuration as the Ukraine already has or they are flown by Western "volunteers."

The whole point of Poland sending their MIGs, is that is what the Ukrainian Air Force already have. Poland then get new jets from the US to replace them as they have time to learn a new aircraft (hopefully).

Need to get them over the border somehow, recompense the Air Force from which they’re coming, find a suitable air base they can operate from, get crews, fuel, armament in place. Not impossible, but almost.

Seriously, this is not a new concept. The UA pilots are going to pick them up in Poland and fly back. Poland will get F16 replacements from the US, probably first inluding the pilots. The UA Air Force is still operating own airplanes, so I guess they will have an idea.

How long they will last? We will see. Apparently UA lost a few aircraft today.

Thing is, I´m scared. I am getting cold war vibes, all this action, reaction, all the GRRR-WOOF-WOOFery in the media. Thinking about how "A" leads to "B" with all the consequences right up until the button is pushed and we all see "the LIIIIIGHT"
Growing up during the cold war the thought was always in the back of our minds that today could be our last. Especially living near US bases and within easy fallout range of Gersthofen and the early warning site. But we always trusted that the mechanisms of brinkmanship that were put in place to stop that last escalation would work. Now after 20-odd years of relief over the end of the cold war the flashback is hitting hard and I actually think that there is some form of leftover trauma evident from that era. At least for me.
Actually it´s worse now than it was at the time as I believe that these mechanisms to stop that last escalation are no longer working, checks and balances won´t engage. The ability for politicians to think in terms of the end of our civilization is lost.
I belong to those persons who think that it´s better to be red than dead and you can´t tell me that you would risk severely degrading our biosphere at best and total annihilation in the worst case over Ukraine just to stick it to Putin.

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Spakoynoy nochi, tovarish.

On a serious note, I hear you. I was too young to actually witness the Cold War (and on the other side of the curtain). I think this here and now is very problematic because Putin is not checked and balanced by some Politburo. The guy is in a bubble. This is why I hope that a lot of foreign leaders call him and meet him - Erdogan and Bennett are fine, but ideally the Chinese - so there is a chance to hear some real assessments.

I'm not scared at all. My countrymen are not scared to wave Ukrainian flags in front of the tanks and fight a real enemy losing their lives, so I have no moral right to be scared staying in one of the safest countries in the world just because some crazy dwarf threatens the world with the nuke. Go to hell, Putin.

Love the attitude. Must say though that I am worried. For Ukraine and the world.

Calm yourself Slammer as Sweden's yet to field the ultimate detterent that's yet to strike fear in Moscow.

Not f---ing helpful.

The plan is to send MIG29s to Ukraine which are exactly the aircraft they already use, they will send experienced pilots to collect them and it is clear from the number still flying in Ukraine there are plenty of secret airfields with suitable maintenance facilities.

Yes and No.
These drones are very effective they carry up to four laser guided UMTAS anti-tank weapons (fire and forget) weighing about 40Kg..
MIG29s have four pods of S-5, S-8, S-24 (weight 230 Kg) unguided rockets or air bombs weighing up to 3,000kg.

probably you never has been red
anyway, any1 can stick whatever they want to putin. but its still up to UA will it be sticked or not

there is a rumors that some has been bought in nearest missiles shop for byraktars

You know the compulsory weapons inspections that were part of the SALT treaty proved the stories of Russian ICBMs rusting in their silos were true, some of them were metres deep in water.

Russia to host 'First International Antifascist Conference'
https://thepostmillennial.com/russia...o-fight-nazism

Just to stick it to Putin??????
Try that: just to protect their lives!!! Anyway Putin will not stop even if UA capitulates now.
The guy is crazy and believes only the narrative he and his political and even (soviet) academic apparatus created about UA: Ukrainians are practically Russians , Ukrainian language does not exist, they as a country do not and should not exist, cannot govern themselves etc etc etc

I don't know about you, but he, this, it really reminds me of Hitler. Hitler didn't stop at the first concessions.

It is more than obvious, looking at how civilians are attacked, that he hates UA from his guts. They shouldn't exist in his view. And THAT, my friend, it is the very definition of fascism, nazism, you choose the word.

That was the plot of a Tom Clancy spy novel a few years back. Don´t think it´s true and if it were then these missiles were decommissioned and set for dismantling anyway.

When the 15 minute warning has sounded and you have hugged and kissed your loved ones for the last time, if you were able to reach them. I don´t think that your thoughts will that at least the west stood up for Ukraine and against Putin. Are you, yes you personally, willing to put your life and those who you love on the line for Ukraine?
I´m not.
This probably won´t happen, however it´s the "probably" that worries me.