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There's no way this is going to end well
I agree. Everyone will pay for this war one way or another, and some more than others....as the short term and long terms effects which are not even known for now will not hit everyone and every country equally. Food for thought. And some will profit, as with every crisis, war, pandemic.
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Old 08.03.2022, 10:39
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Good news coming again. A second Russian General killed in action

This is the second General killed at the forefront of the military activities, which is extremely bizarre even by soviet standards. You don't send generals at the front, their job is to stay behind and command from there. Probably another sign of desperation among the soldiers and the Generals were there to probably understand and tackle the situation. Well, the Ukrainians tackled it for them
No information on how these generals died.
Of course, drones are ideal for hitting such small and high value targets, if they were not actually used for these two then there will surely be other good opportunities.


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Sanctions, embargo, blockades are all a form of siege warfare and that is what these sanctions against Russia are.
One goal of sanctions is to enable the so-called Veto-fraction, that is to empower those with enough clout to effect a course change and I don´t see that happening in Russia.
But you are correct, sanctions are working, they disrupting and will keep on degrading normal life in Russia to the point where you could consider them a human rights violation. That is why the UNHRC generally frowns on large scale sanctions.
How far would you want Sanctions to go, and for how long?
Consider this: If left to his own devices Putin will take Ukraine, with or without sanctions. I do not doubt that for a moment. Then what? How long will sanctions last, long enough to force Russia to make deals with China or India?
There is no easy way out of this and regardless on what the west does they will be dammed if they do and dammed if they don´t leaving the only tried and tested method to stop the invasion of UA a military one.
Since the collapse of the ruble both China and India had the possibility to make very cheap trade deals with Russia.

For China, on 1st January the Renminbi bought 11.8 rubles, now 23.8.
For India, on 1st January one rupee bought one ruble, now 1.8.
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Old 08.03.2022, 10:50
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No information on how these generals died.
Of course, drones are ideal for hitting such small and high value targets, if they were not actually used for these two then there will surely be other good opportunities.
The first one was confirmed to be killed by a sniper, the second one apparently not as the info is that he was killed along with other high-ranking officers.

Anyways, there was a confirmation that the soviet encrypted communication system Era was not functioning and they had to use normal mobile phones which were tracked by the Ukrainians. Last night they leaked a tapped phone conversation by two FSB officers who were complaining about the fact that that they don't have a secure line anymore.
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I agree. Everyone will pay for this war one way or another, and some more than others....as the short term and long terms effects which are not even known for now will not hit everyone and every country equally. Food for thought. And some will profit, as with every crisis, war, pandemic.
Just out of interest, have we seen all Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse by now ? As I believe they
are War, Death, Pestilence and Famine.

War & Death: being the War in Ukraine.
Pestilence: we've had already & still going through it, thanks to the Covid-19 Pandemic.
Famine: no doubt just around the corner and here already in several parts of the world.
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Old 08.03.2022, 10:56
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This feels increasingly like 1984.
A twitter war is better, people don't die and become homeless.... Ukraine representative at the UN suggests mental help support for Russian's foreign minister Lavrov after the confusing tweet about preventing war in Ukraine.


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Since the collapse of the ruble both China and India had the possibility to make very cheap trade deals with Russia.

For China, on 1st January the Renminbi bought 11.8 rubles, now 23.8.
For India, on 1st January one rupee bought one ruble, now 1.8.
I haven't yet seen a country struck with high inflation where its rapidly depreciating currency would be used for higher value goods unless if enforced by the authorities (with resulting widespread goods shortages). Obviously China and India will have to cough up hard currency or to barter.
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Old 08.03.2022, 11:45
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Just out of interest, have we seen all Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse by now ? As I believe they
are War, Death, Pestilence and Famine.

War & Death: being the War in Ukraine.
Pestilence: we've had already & still going through it, thanks to the Covid-19 Pandemic.
Famine: no doubt just around the corner and here already in several parts of the world.
Depends where you look. In Ezekiel it's Sword, Famine, Wild Beasts, Pestilence. In The Revelation, it's Conquest, War, Famine and Death. Traditionally it's War, Famine, Pestilence, Death.

The fifth horseman is Kaos (aka Ronnie Soak).

The Four Horsemen of The Common Cold are Sniffles, Chesty, Nostril, Lack of Tissues

The Four Horsemen of Public holiday are Storm, Gales, Sleet, Contra-flow

The Four Horsemen of Panic are Misinformation, Rumour, Gossip, Denial

The "four lesser apocalyptical horsemen" are: Panic, Bewilderment, Ignorance, Shouting
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@ mods: and why is vushka banned?
apparently, stating inconvenient truths is a form of "winding people up" and will get you banned, even if its factually true.

its obvious that EF is only interested in hearing one side of the story. a shame.
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Old 08.03.2022, 12:25
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apparently, stating inconvenient truths is a form of "winding people up" and will get you banned, even if its factually true.

its obvious that EF is only interested in hearing one side of the story. a shame.
Sometimes it’s not what you say but how you say it that is the problem.

Maybe have a think about what you write and how you present things before posting?
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Old 08.03.2022, 12:34
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Depends where you look. In Ezekiel it's Sword, Famine, Wild Beasts, Pestilence. In The Revelation, it's Conquest, War, Famine and Death. Traditionally it's War, Famine, Pestilence, Death.
Pestilence retired and Pollution took over.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

I do wonder what Putin will do regarding Zelensky...assassinating him would be convenient but would almost certainly unleash the Obi Obi-Wan Kenobi effect.

There are no winners in war, and if we can make sacrifices (ie pay more for energy) in the short-medium term then it may help end some of this suffering.
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Old 08.03.2022, 13:17
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I do wonder what Putin will do regarding Zelensky...assassinating him would be convenient but would almost certainly unleash the Obi Obi-Wan Kenobi effect.

There are no winners in war, and if we can make sacrifices (ie pay more for energy) in the short-medium term then it may help end some of this suffering.
no need. he'll probably commit suicide in an implausible way.
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Old 08.03.2022, 13:19
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I do wonder what Putin will do regarding Zelensky...assassinating him would be convenient but would almost certainly unleash the Obi Obi-Wan Kenobi effect.

There are no winners in war, and if we can make sacrifices (ie pay more for energy) in the short-medium term then it may help end some of this suffering.
So many options here:

If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.
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Save us Obi wan kenobi, you're our only hope?
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The truth is often what we make of it; you heard what you wanted to hear, believed what you wanted to believe
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Moscow, You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy
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Old 08.03.2022, 13:28
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apparently, stating inconvenient truths is a form of "winding people up" and will get you banned, even if its factually true.

its obvious that EF is only interested in hearing one side of the story. a shame.
No, it is not. You can privately ask Belgianmum, greenmount, Chuff and countless others how many times we've quarreled and "fought" virtually and yet we haven't been banned for expressing widely diverging opinions. There's a fine line between trolling and disagreeing with arguments.
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Old 08.03.2022, 14:22
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Sometimes it’s not what you say but how you say it that is the problem.

Maybe have a think about what you write and how you present things before posting?
What if, one is caught raping someone and demands equal treatment and the right to defend their side of the story?

Russia is banning all Western media and there are still some who demand to get through their side of the story?

The aggressor becomes the victim and the victim is always guilty.

Sorry, I cannot put it any other way.
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Works fine for me. Win 10, Chrome.

The following from a Russian friend.

... We don't just talk about the theoretical options, we KNOW AND RECOMMEND that these options are being considered by Russian President Vladimir Putin at meetings with military and security officials and during his consultations and talks with people in his inner circle. We also know that the latter two options are mainly being considered. And in terms of choices, things are aggravated by the fact that Putin is terminally ill. He has cancer at a stage where there is no chance of recovery. We have covered Putin's health problems on more than one occasion, with diagnoses. Our regular subscribers and guests have seen that we give accurate and reliable information. ...
An interesting and disturbing post, but how does the source have access to what is being discussed with military/security officials and within Putin's inner circle and know his medical status?
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Old 08.03.2022, 14:39
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Polish Air Force is flying F-16 since 2006.
Stop quoting facts, it just confuses people who prefer to invent their own alternative facts.

Defense Secretary Ben Wallace told Sky News on Tuesday that whilst the UK would "support" a Polish choice to supply Ukraine with fighter jets the country should be aware of Russia's warning of "retribution."

What a xxxx is "Ben Wallace", I am sure Poland never thought of this risk

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Stop quoting facts, it just confuses people who prefer to invent their own alternative facts.

Defense Secretary Ben Wallace told Sky News on Tuesday that whilst the UK would "support" a Polish choice to supply Ukraine with fighter jets the country should be aware of Russia's warning of "retribution."

What a xxxx is "Ben Wallace", I am sure Poland never thought of this risk
He obviously knows that they knew but felt he had to make the point and have it on record.

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Anyone can guess the date of the survey before clicking on the link?

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More than half of Swiss millennials expect nuclear attack in next decade

More than 56% of millennials polled in Switzerland think it is “quite likely” or “very likely” that there will be a nuclear attack somewhere in the world within the next ten years, according to a survey by the Geneva-based International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC).

Almost 15% of the 1,000 Swiss respondents, all aged 20-35, believe such a scenario is “very likely”, with women almost three times more likely to think this than men.
https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/icrc-re...ce=swissinfoch
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Old 08.03.2022, 15:33
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anyone can guess the date of the survey before clicking on the link?

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/icrc-re...ce=swissinfoch
2011
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