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08.03.2022, 15:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
According to Startrek lore, the Third World War kicks off in 2026. So we still have a Bit of Time. Having said that this does feel like a Kobayashi Maru scenario.
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08.03.2022, 16:30
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Stop quoting facts, it just confuses people who prefer to invent their own alternative facts.
Defense Secretary Ben Wallace told Sky News on Tuesday that whilst the UK would "support" a Polish choice to supply Ukraine with fighter jets the country should be aware of Russia's warning of "retribution."
What a twat is "Ben Wallace", I am sure Poland never thought of this risk  | | | | | The risk is presumably equally great to the UK, as if Russia moved militarily against Poland we as well as countless others would have no choice but to join in.
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08.03.2022, 16:37
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? Russia calls for return to 'peaceful co-existence' with U.S. like during Cold War
putler seems to be utterly confused and thinks that Russia is still the second super-power and can somehow can sit on the negotiation table and in a super-power way divide the world to their liking.
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08.03.2022, 19:51
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
McDonald's to (temporarily?) close shop in Russia.
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08.03.2022, 20:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Seriously, this is not a new concept. The UA pilots are going to pick them up in Poland and fly back. Poland will get F16 replacements from the US, probably first inluding the pilots. The UA Air Force is still operating own airplanes, so I guess they will have an idea.
How long they will last? We will see. Apparently UA lost a few aircraft today. | | | | | Just announced, Poland have very generously offered to donate their Mig 29s free of charge to... the US.
Now they expect the same number of F-16s in return. Getting them to the Ukraine from Ramstein in Germany of places is now a problem for the US.
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08.03.2022, 20:37
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Just announced, Poland have very generously offered to donate their Mig 29s free of charge to... the US.
Now they expect the same number of F-16s in return. Getting them to the Ukraine from Ramstein in Germany of places is now a problem for the US. | | | | | It's meant as a cover for the Polish if they get accused by Russia for providing the jets, they'll basically say "go and argue with Washington, not with me"
The "delivery" to Ukraine will be done by Ukrainian pilots.
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08.03.2022, 20:57
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | It's meant as a cover for the Polish if they get accused by Russia for providing the jets, they'll basically say "go and argue with Washington, not with me"
The "delivery" to Ukraine will be done by Ukrainian pilots. | | | | | I know what it's meant for, it's passing a hot potato on to the US.
I still don't think it is as simple as Ukrainian pilots just picking them up. Let's see when (if at all) these planes ever get to see Ukrainian soil.
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08.03.2022, 21:56
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I know what it's meant for, it's passing a hot potato on to the US.
I still don't think it is as simple as Ukrainian pilots just picking them up. Let's see when (if at all) these planes ever get to see Ukrainian soil. | | | | | Nice try by the Poles  but the Russians have already begun bombing Ukrainian airfields so this seems like a non-starter. What they need are Javelin antitank missiles, Stinger anti-aircraft missiles as well as small arms and munitions.
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08.03.2022, 22:04
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Nice try by the Poles but the Russians have already begun bombing Ukrainian airfields so this seems like a non-starter. What they need are Javelin antitank missiles, Stinger anti-aircraft missiles as well as small arms and munitions. | | | | | US now saying that decision was not "pre-consulted" with Washington. I assume that means the Poles did it unilaterally. This whole plane story is propaganda imo anyway. Whilst it would be terrific if Ukraine would have more fighter jets to defend themselves I think this is just a non-starter.
The shoulder-launched missile systems that have been supplied so far appear to have been very effective so far. Should keep supplying as many of these as possible.
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08.03.2022, 22:32
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | US now saying that decision was not "pre-consulted" with Washington. I assume that means the Poles did it unilaterally. This whole plane story is propaganda imo anyway. Whilst it would be terrific if Ukraine would have more fighter jets to defend themselves I think this is just a non-starter.
The shoulder-launched missile systems that have been supplied so far appear to have been very effective so far. Should keep supplying as many of these as possible. | | | | | Why? Ukraine is not going to win this war, regardless on how many arms they get. There is simply no way, they wonīt even be able to negotiate a cease fire on favorable terms. The only result of these deliveries is to prolong the murder and give Putin a reason to escalate.
If Ukraine does not fall soon and I mean in the next few days or at most a week or two then Nato will be at war with Russia. And if you interpolate the pace of escalation as it has been up until now to the very end then each and every one of us, you and me as individuals, our children, our brothers and sisters, our parents, everybody you know and love, we are front line. We are hostages to the war mongers, we stand with our very lives in the balance, just as it was during the cold war.
Are you all blind, donīt you see it? We are stumbling with eyes wide open into WW3, nobody wants it to happen, but we are powerless to stop it.
From now on every time you hear a siren you will think. Every time you see a plane flying high you will imagine a small black speck detaching from it. Lay on the grass on a hot summers day and imagine blackened ruins.
I hope you like horror stories, because you are in one. Welcome to the cold war.
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08.03.2022, 22:40
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Whilst it would be terrific | | | | | like horrific or amazing?
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08.03.2022, 22:41
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Why? Ukraine is not going to win this war, regardless on how many arms they get. There is simply no way, they wonīt even be able to negotiate a cease fire on favorable terms. The only result of these deliveries is to prolong the murder and give Putin a reason to escalate.
If Ukraine does not fall soon and I mean in the next few days or at most a week or two then Nato will be at war with Russia. And if you interpolate the pace of escalation as it has been up until now to the very end then each and every one of us, you and me as individuals, our children, our brothers and sisters, our parents, everybody you know and love, we are front line. We are hostages to the war mongers, we stand with our very lives in the balance, just as it was during the cold war.
Are you all blind, donīt you see it? We are stumbling with eyes wide open into WW3, nobody wants it to happen, but we are powerless to stop it.
From now on every time you hear a siren you will think. Every time you see a plane flying high you will imagine a small black speck detaching from it. Lay on the grass on a hot summers day and imagine blackened ruins.
I hope you like horror stories, because you are in one. Welcome to the cold war. | | | | | relogin, mr. Lavrov
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08.03.2022, 22:43
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Why? Ukraine is not going to win this war, regardless on how many arms they get. There is simply no way, they wonīt even be able to negotiate a cease fire on favorable terms. The only result of these deliveries is to prolong the murder and give Putin a reason to escalate.
If Ukraine does not fall soon and I mean in the next few days or at most a week or two then Nato will be at war with Russia. And if you interpolate the pace of escalation as it has been up until now to the very end then each and every one of us, you and me as individuals, our children, our brothers and sisters, our parents, everybody you know and love, we are front line. We are hostages to the war mongers, we stand with our very lives in the balance, just as it was during the cold war.
Are you all blind, donīt you see it? We are stumbling with eyes wide open into WW3, nobody wants it to happen, but we are powerless to stop it.
From now on every time you hear a siren you will think. Every time you see a plane flying high you will imagine a small black speck detaching from it. Lay on the grass on a hot summers day and imagine blackened ruins.
I hope you like horror stories, because you are in one. Welcome to the cold war. | | | | |
And with what forces will Putin run that war? Didn't you notice how weak the Russian army is?
Please, let us know the numbers of soldiers, tanks, planes and artillery Putin can send into NATO flank - only then we can evaluate your awareness of the situation.
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08.03.2022, 22:54
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And with what forces will Putin run that war? Didn't you notice how weak the Russian army is?
Please, let us know the numbers of soldiers, tanks, planes and artillery Putin can send into NATO flank - only then we can evaluate your awareness of the situation. | | | | | In the perverse logic of a large war in the nuclear age, weak conventional forces are going to push the big red button sooner.
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09.03.2022, 00:13
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | McDonald's to (temporarily?) close shop in Russia. | | | | | A no-fry zone.
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09.03.2022, 00:34
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | A no-fry zone. | | | | | The Big MiG-29 flurry will be served on the menu instead | The following 3 users would like to thank jacek for this useful post: | | 
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09.03.2022, 06:54
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Why? Ukraine is not going to win this war, regardless on how many arms they get. There is simply no way, they wonīt even be able to negotiate a cease fire on favorable terms. The only result of these deliveries is to prolong the murder and give Putin a reason to escalate.
If Ukraine does not fall soon and I mean in the next few days or at most a week or two then Nato will be at war with Russia. And if you interpolate the pace of escalation as it has been up until now to the very end then each and every one of us, you and me as individuals, our children, our brothers and sisters, our parents, everybody you know and love, we are front line. We are hostages to the war mongers, we stand with our very lives in the balance, just as it was during the cold war.
Are you all blind, donīt you see it? We are stumbling with eyes wide open into WW3, nobody wants it to happen, but we are powerless to stop it.
From now on every time you hear a siren you will think. Every time you see a plane flying high you will imagine a small black speck detaching from it. Lay on the grass on a hot summers day and imagine blackened ruins.
I hope you like horror stories, because you are in one. Welcome to the cold war. | | | | | I am not a war monger however there is a moral duty for liberal democracies to support Ukraine so long as their are people their willing to fight for their country.
I am also concerned over escalation, yet on the other hand I also realise that Putin cannot be appeased. A fine needs to be trodden. Whilst the events that have led up to this invasion are perhaps not so black and white as some would have us believe, what is undeniable is that a sovereign country has been invaded by another which is as black and white as there is.
I think that Ukraine's resistance has been nothing short of inspiring in the face of such force. I pray for this level of courage. | Quote: | |  | | | like horrific or amazing? | | | | | Amazing!
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09.03.2022, 07:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | A no-fry zone. | | | | | Would be a precursor to griller warfare.
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Analysis of the current situation from Tom Cooper, Austrian aerial warfare analyst. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...00007817641885 | This user would like to thank TinyK for this useful post: | |
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