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14.03.2022, 21:21
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Somebody jumped into the live session of the main Russian news program, with the poster „No war. Stop the war. Don’t believe the propaganda. They are lying to you here“. This girl might go to jail for a few years. | | | | | This lady is an ex-propagandist. She published a video in which she stated that she was silent for many years while many bad things were happening but cannot be silent anymore. Now hew FB is beeing flooded with comments, in which people thank her for her courage. A new comment appears every second.
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14.03.2022, 22:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | When I see what Ukrainians are going through right now, I am forced to realize how much I have taken peace for granted. | | | | | Not only you!!!!
Nobody was prepared for this..
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14.03.2022, 23:47
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | This lady is an ex-propagandist. She published a video in which she stated that she was silent for many years while many bad things were happening but cannot be silent anymore. Now hew FB is beeing flooded with comments, in which people thank her for her courage. A new comment appears every second. | | | | | https://twitter.com/Kira_Yarmysh/sta...54874884837377 | 
15.03.2022, 02:39
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I'm meeting refugees at Zürich HB and some of them tell me that they have already fled twice: once in 2014 from Donbass and now again from their new home.  | | | | | I was reading some days ago of an Afghan family who had to flee Kabul last summer, ended up in Ukraine...and now they had to flee again to Poland | 
15.03.2022, 04:10
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Until 2020 France was selling night vision (thermal imaging) sights for tanks and helicopters and navigation systems for SU30. Just 240m of sales but these are key enabler technologies.
They circumvented EU embargo using older contracts. https://disclose.ngo/en/article/war-...sia-until-2020 | 
15.03.2022, 07:42
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | There's only three possibilities here:
1. This is a Russian launched missile.
2. This is a Russian-backed separatists launched missile.
3. This is a Ukrainian launched missile that was taken down by the Russian defenses.
We will probably never know the facts, but by looking at the way the soviets are conducting warfare, the way the separatists operate (Malaysia Airlines jet?) and the sheer amount of lies coming from them, I'm convinced this is a Russian attack.
Ukraine has absolutely no upside in "simulating" a Russian attack in order to show attack on civilian population as there are multiple confirmed examples of this happening already.
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15.03.2022, 08:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | There's only three possibilities here:
1. This is a Russian launched missile.
2. This is a Russian-backed separatists launched missile.
3. This is a Ukrainian launched missile that was taken down by the Russian defenses.
We will probably never know the facts, but by looking at the way the soviets are conducting warfare, the way the separatists operate (Malaysia Airlines jet?) and the sheer amount of lies coming from them, I'm convinced this is a Russian attack.
Ukraine has absolutely no upside in "simulating" a Russian attack in order to show attack on civilian population as there are multiple confirmed examples of this happening already. | | | | | Yeah Russia are literally doing everything that could be simulated and there is no need to convince the world of their atrocities, so it is imo very likely Russian propaganda or at the very least an inadvertent isolated case of something going unintentionally wrong from the Ukraine side.
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15.03.2022, 09:01
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | There's only three possibilities here:
1. This is a Russian launched missile.
2. This is a Russian-backed separatists launched missile.
3. This is a Ukrainian launched missile that was taken down by the Russian defenses.
We will probably never know the facts, but by looking at the way the soviets are conducting warfare, the way the separatists operate (Malaysia Airlines jet?) and the sheer amount of lies coming from them, I'm convinced this is a Russian attack.
Ukraine has absolutely no upside in "simulating" a Russian attack in order to show attack on civilian population as there are multiple confirmed examples of this happening already. | | | | | 4. it is vushka launched missile in his/her head
ps. Tochka U would left crater several dozen meters diameter and number of casualties would be hundreds
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15.03.2022, 09:02
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Somebody jumped into the live session of the main Russian news program, with the poster No war. Stop the war. Dont believe the propaganda. They are lying to you here. This girl might go to jail for a few years. | | | | | there is no live sessions on ru TV
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15.03.2022, 09:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | 4. it is vushka launched missile in his/her head
ps. Tochka U would left crater several dozen meters diameter and number of casualties would be hundreds | | | | | Both sides admit that this was a missile that was taken down by anti-missile defense system which explains the limited damage it did.
Btw, yes there is live TV in Russia and this explains how this happened. If it was pre-recorded obviously it would have been cut out.
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15.03.2022, 09:26
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Both sides admit that this was a missile that was taken down by anti-missile defense system which explains the limited damage it did.
Btw, yes there is live TV in Russia and this explains how this happened. If it was pre-recorded obviously it would have been cut out. | | | | | ballistic missiles quite noisy and comparable slow. so someone would filmed flying and interception moments. Lets wait for this videos
the only explanation for the ru tv episode - another ru propaganda bs
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15.03.2022, 09:27
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | there is no live sessions on ru TV | | | | | So you think they left this in after the editing session?
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15.03.2022, 09:40
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | So you think they left this in after the editing session? | | | | | I think its done on purpose. main narrative: its all putin's fault poor russians not guilty and fighting (haha)
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15.03.2022, 09:54
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I was reading some days ago of an Afghan family who had to flee Kabul last summer, ended up in Ukraine...and now they had to flee again to Poland  | | | | | ...and like this family there are many many more. I am in contact with a volunteer organisation in my home country and they had refugees from Ukraine but with Middle Eastern citizenship, their situation is very unclear. they are refugees but expected to return to their countries of origins, a thing that many can't or don't want to do. There are tons of lawyers and legal advisers who volunteer to clarify their situation and legal rights. What a mess. Most are students who want to continue their studies but of course it is a bit more complicated than just registering to the first university that accepts you.
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15.03.2022, 10:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Ukraine Live Updates: Leaders of 3 European Nations to Visit Kyiv
The leaders of the Czech Republic, Poland and Slovenia will travel to the Ukrainian capital as fighting rages around the city, with a half dozen loud blasts shaking central Kyiv early Tuesday. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/03...ine-russia-war
This feels like a bad idea.
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15.03.2022, 10:31
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I think its done on purpose. main narrative: its all putin's fault poor russians not guilty and fighting (haha) | | | | |
I think you are a muppet, but that doesn't change the fact this happened on live TV
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15.03.2022, 10:32
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? Video claimed to be of Ukrain attacking elements of the 40 mile convoy hiding in woods on March 11th near Ozera.
"In a statement today, the Polish Prime Minister's office said Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki, deputy Prime Minister Jarosław Kaczyński, Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala and Slovenian Prime Minister Janez Janša would visit the Ukrainian capital Kyviv today as representatives of the European Council."
I hope they stay safe.
Edit: It is claimed the Ukrainians are using consumer drones to track Russian military movements, being so small I assume the drones are hard to find to attack.
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15.03.2022, 10:34
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | There's only three possibilities here:
1. This is a Russian launched missile.
2. This is a Russian-backed separatists launched missile.
3. This is a Ukrainian launched missile that was taken down by the Russian defenses.
We will probably never know the facts, but by looking at the way the soviets are conducting warfare, the way the separatists operate (Malaysia Airlines jet?) and the sheer amount of lies coming from them, I'm convinced this is a Russian attack.
Ukraine has absolutely no upside in "simulating" a Russian attack in order to show attack on civilian population as there are multiple confirmed examples of this happening already. | | | | | yes, because Ukraine has been so open and honest thus far with no lies coming from their side. and it's not like they haven't done this sort of thing before https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/...ling-civilians | This user groans at vushka for this post: | | 
15.03.2022, 10:46
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/ukraine-unguided-rockets-killing-civilians
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15.03.2022, 10:48
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | that's right, its been going on since 2014.
oh excuse me, i forgot that it was Ukraine killing civilians so it must have been "unintentionally wrong from the Ukranian side" in that case.
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