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Old 16.03.2022, 13:08
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"Retired Gen. David Petraeus, who commanded US forces in the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, in a CNN interview says big-city battles require you to take every building and clear every room, and then you have to leave forces behind in each building or else the enemy will come back behind you and reoccupy them.
But this is not new. Lloyd George learned the lesson in in Ireland in 1919 - 1920. Based on active service medals awarded to Irish soldiers after the war there were less than 1000 on active service in the province of Muster against a combined force of about 40,000 Crown forces and they still could not gain control...

If you start extrapolating from those kinds of figures, it is clear that entire Russian forces would need to be deployed to the Ukraine and even then they'd be unable to keep control.

So long as you have the population behind you, you only need a very small number of fighters to make a place ungovernable.
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Old 16.03.2022, 13:29
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Old 16.03.2022, 13:37
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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Amazing how ruthless Putin is. Even with his own people. 6'000 Russians killed. More than what the US lost in Iraq over 20 years. Which was crazy enough!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ukraine...toll-invasion/
Up to 6,000 Russians may have been killed in Ukraine so far, U.S. official estimates


What, he "highly likely" thing doesn't work anymore?!
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Old 16.03.2022, 13:53
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Up to 6,000 Russians may have been killed in Ukraine so far, U.S. official estimates


What, he "highly likely" thing doesn't work anymore?!
Between 5,000 and 6,000 Russian troops may have been killed in just the first two weeks of the invasion of Ukraine, a U.S. official estimated Wednesday. The official stressed, however, that this is a difficult number to assess in real time, and the number could be closer to 3,500.

Last time I checked the Kremlin said 500 or so. So US estimates ~3500-6000, Kremlin lies ~500. Which indicates 2500 (Kremlin) to 30000 wounded (Max US), using the usual ratio five times as many incapacitated by wounds as killed.

Compared with over 600 civilian deaths, who knows how many injured and millions displaced.

Putin certainly has a lot to answer for while you're quibbling over how many dead Russian soldiers.
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Old 16.03.2022, 13:54
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Last time I checked the Kremlin said 500 or so. So US estimates ~3500-6000, Kremlin lies ~500. Which indicates 2500 (Kremlin) to 30000 wounded (Max US), using the usual ratio five times as many incapacitated by wounds as killed.

Compared with over 600 civilian deaths, who knows how many injured and millions displaced.

Putin certainly has a lot to answer for while you're quibbling over how many dead Russian soldiers.
Not sure what's the point in mixing up math with morals in a single comment
Coming back to math, if we compare 20 Russians planes shot by the famous "ghost of Kyiv" on the first day (according to Ukrainian stats) with the claims of Russia that the ghost didi't even exist, what kind of average should we consider?
Besides, I never saw Russan media using "may" or "highly likely". Any idea why? a *different* math?
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At this stage what the Russian or more precisely Putin's objectives were they are now dead. The new object is to find an exit strategy while avoiding the total embarrassment of seen their army walk home, abandoning equipment, as we saw in both WW1 & WW2 that is why were are suddenly hearing positive noises from the negotiations.
It seems he's open to negotiations now....

My guess is that sanctions have hit them very hard.
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Old 16.03.2022, 14:17
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It seems he's open to negotiations now....

My guess is that sanctions have hit them very hard.
What! He lost his boat?
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At this stage what the Russian or more precisely Putin's objectives were they are now dead. The new object is to find an exit strategy while avoiding the total embarrassment of seen their army walk home, abandoning equipment, as we saw in both WW1 & WW2 that is why were are suddenly hearing positive noises from the negotiations.
that would be great news. but the fact that Ukraine keeps losing territory and Russia just keeps continuing to advance seems to suggest otherwise.
i would guess that any positive noises from the negotiations will only come from Ukraine accepting Russias terms. i predict the fighting will continue.
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Old 16.03.2022, 14:28
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

the famous "ghost of Kyiv" was always an "in joke" but many did not get the joke
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Old 16.03.2022, 14:34
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Besides, I never saw Russan media using "may" or "highly likely". Any idea why? a *different* math?
That's because Russian media when they tell a lie they tell it straight to your face claiming it's the truth and nothing else than the truth?

At least western media when parroting third-hand information they say "may be that but who the f*** knows..."
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Old 16.03.2022, 14:57
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that would be great news. but the fact that Ukraine keeps losing territory and Russia just keeps continuing to advance seems to suggest otherwise.
i would guess that any positive noises from the negotiations will only come from Ukraine accepting Russias terms. i predict the fighting will continue.
For a so-called world power, Russia's invasion has been pathetic.

Putin's forces are out of their depth. Russia should have secured Kyiv in a couple of days - and the whole of Ukraine within a week.

Yes, the fighting may continue, but on present performance, Russia urgently needs to find a way out and save face...
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For a so-called world power, Russia's invasion has been pathetic.

Putin's forces are out of their depth. Russia should have secured Kyiv in a couple of days - and the whole of Ukraine within a week.

Yes, the fighting may continue, but on present performance, Russia urgently needs to find a way out and save face...
After seeing Russias army in action for 1 week my fears about them invading other countries took a steep nosedive. If it wasn't for nukes, this army would be utterly crushed by NATO or even just the US.

Poorly trained, poorly equipped, poorly led, with low morale. That is the modern Russian army.
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Old 16.03.2022, 15:18
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For a so-called world power, Russia's invasion has been pathetic.

Putin's forces are out of their depth. Russia should have secured Kyiv in a couple of days - and the whole of Ukraine within a week.

Yes, the fighting may continue, but on present performance, Russia urgently needs to find a way out and save face...
I think that ship has sailed, Putin can admit defeat, tuck his tail between his legs and hope that CH has someplace on the gold coast going for cheap.
Or he can double down and escalate.
At which point Nato is going to say "enough is enough" and get directly involved.
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For a so-called world power, Russia's invasion has been pathetic.

Putin's forces are out of their depth. Russia should have secured Kyiv in a couple of days - and the whole of Ukraine within a week.

Yes, the fighting may continue, but on present performance, Russia urgently needs to find a way out and save face...
this is interesting, do you have more information than the rest of us civilians watching from afar?
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Old 16.03.2022, 15:50
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this is interesting, do you have more information than the rest of us civilians watching from afar?
This is the consensus with all the military leaders I've seen analysing what's happened so far.
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that would be great news. but the fact that Ukraine keeps losing territory and Russia just keeps continuing to advance seems to suggest otherwise.
i would guess that any positive noises from the negotiations will only come from Ukraine accepting Russias terms. i predict the fighting will continue.
Unfortunately I tend to agree with this. The cycle of false hope and promises is part of the Russian tactics. Only 4 things can stop this war:

1. Putin is toppled (he will never go voluntarily)
2. China tell Putin to stop (unlikely)
3. NATO call Putin's bluff on the no-fly zone
4. The Russian people revolt (unlikely they can reach the critical mass to outnumber the police).

Oddly enough when Hitler invaded France, they were also stuck in a traffic jam of their own making. If the French army had manned up, they possibly could have prevented most of WWII.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Here is something rather interesting regarding Putin´s earlier life as a KGB agent.
The end statement is chilling as in he won´t be ousted from power by any grass root movement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2_E...tonProductions
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