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16.03.2022, 18:00
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | it appears they definitely made some mistakes in the beginning. but they seemed to have made corrections since. and the fact that they have tried to avoid civilian casualties has likely frustrated them. im sure it hasn't gone as fast as they wanted, but one week seems a bit unrealistic for a country as large as Ukraine.
obviously just my opinion but the deliberate destruction of military industry implies that their aim is to demilitarise Ukraine, not total annexation. but who knows. | | | | | I see the poster I am replying to has been banned, I will post this anyway, so there!
It is not one week of Russian invasion, it is three weeks.
In the same time, the US conquered Iraq which is a similar size to Ukraine.
On the first day, the US destroyed the Iraq airfields and gained air supremacy.
In contrast after three weeks the Russian have not destroyed all Ukrainian airfields and the Ukranian air force is still flying.
Rumours are circulating that Ukraine quietly called up their 1st echelon and second echelon reserves in February which would mean they have around 300,000 soldiers in the field vs 190,000 Russians (less losses).
Not sure if this was posted before but Ukraine claims to have killed General Major-General Oleg Mityaev in the east of Mariupol.
A satellite photo below of Russian helicopters burning in Kherson Airport after Ukrain shelling, nice of the Russians to leave them outside so easy to target.
BTW, " Oleg Matveychev, a member of the State Duma, outlined on Russian state television a set of demands for the U.S. and Ukraine after Kiv's "demilitarization is completed". The demands include the return of Alaska, which the U.S. purchased from the Russian Empire in 1867 as part of the Alaska Purchase, and the former Russian settlement of Fort Ross, California, 90miles north of San Francisco." | The following 3 users would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
16.03.2022, 18:13
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I would agree that tanks in their current form are obsolete, and definitely wouldn't be where I'd want to perform duty. Aircraft carriers I'm not so sure.
B52s and U-2s were supposed to be superceded a long time ago, but will likely be in service into the 2050s. They are indeed survivors... | | | | | For use in a major war Carriers became obsolete the minute it was possible to sink or damage them with a saturation attack using "carrier killer" missiles that have a longer offensive range than that of the carriers aircraft. As a force projector to countries without the capability of Russia, India and China they are still useful, same as with the B52 and U2´s, they are indeed survivors, great in secondary tasks but would be decimated in a war with an opponent fighting on roughly equal terms.
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16.03.2022, 18:16
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I think that one of the consequences of this war will be that we see the end of the tank as a weapon system. | | | | | Unlikely , armor support is still more versatile than anything else for infantry
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16.03.2022, 18:20
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I see the poster I am replying to has been banned, I will post this anyway, so there!
It is not one week of Russian invasion, it is three weeks. | | | | | Aha, so he's not just a puppet parroting putin propaganda, but he's a poor puppet parroting putin propaganda!
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16.03.2022, 18:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Ok, finally a summary of Putin's speech of a few hours ago https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...ow-to-the-west
Everything is going according to plan... 🙄
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16.03.2022, 18:30
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | This is of course for the domestic audience. The firing of generals suggests of course that he knows better - but it is very likely that he stills considers his plan genius, just the execution is crap. Which would mean doubling down and all negotiations are just window dressing.
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16.03.2022, 18:37
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | BTW, "Oleg Matveychev, a member of the State Duma, outlined on Russian state television a set of demands for the U.S. and Ukraine after Kiv's "demilitarization is completed". The demands include the return of Alaska, which the U.S. purchased from the Russian Empire in 1867 as part of the Alaska Purchase, and the former Russian settlement of Fort Ross, California, 90miles north of San Francisco." | | | | | Reading that article, I first thought that it was by The Onion!
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16.03.2022, 18:37
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? UN International Court of Justice orders Russia to halt invasion of Ukraine
Judge says court in The Hague has seen no evidence to support Kremlins justification for the war https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...0the%20country.
Thank God, it is over.
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16.03.2022, 18:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | This is of course for the domestic audience. The firing of generals suggests of course that he knows better - but it is very likely that he stills considers his plan genius, just the execution is crap. Which would mean doubling down and all negotiations are just window dressing. | | | | | Yep. I guess that's why only Zelensky's speech is being reported. The Czar says that tough times are ahead, inflation and unemployment, and economy needs "structural" changes but we'll make it and all our goals will be achieved by 2030. Translation: ordinary citizens are ed.
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16.03.2022, 18:49
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Yep. I guess that's why only Zelensky's speech is being reported. The Czar says that tough times are ahead, inflation and unemployment, and economy needs "structural" changes but we'll make it and all our goals will be achieved by 2030. Translation: ordinary citizens are ed. | | | | | Yes, they will enjoy cuing for Cuban oranges again.
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16.03.2022, 19:03
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | A satellite photo below of Russian helicopters burning in Kherson Airport after Ukrain shelling, nice of the Russians to leave them outside so easy to target. | | | | | Video from the airport: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ybxq-hNBLqU | The following 3 users would like to thank TinyK for this useful post: | | 
16.03.2022, 19:07
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I think that one of the consequences of this war will be that we see the end of the tank as a weapon system. The development of the tank is way behind the anti tank weapon. Without the development of a Startrek forcefield you would need to armor your tank to a point where it is no longer an asset in battle.
It will go the way of the big gun battleship which was made obsolete by aircraft and missiles. Next big casualty will in my opinion be the aircraft carrier. | | | | | I do not agree.
What we are seeing is a Russian demonstration of how to deploy tanks whilst ignoring established military doctrine.
Normally tank formations have close air support plus infantry support for flank defence, the Russians don't have this in the Ukraine.
I expect you have seen the videos of Russian tanks being targeted with anti-tank weapons? Do you see aircraft rushing in to bomb the anti-tank people or platoons of infantry subduing them, no you don't?
Rumour has it the Russian tank crews do not have the good encrypted communications needed to give target locations to any support teams so they are on their own and the Russians do not have enough soldiers to provide tank formation flank support.
Not forgetting Russian armor is somewhat outdated. Many of the tanks seen in the fighting are the 50 year old T-72 models and T80's as opposed to the cutting-edge tanks seen in Moscow parades.
Indeed, much of the Russian equipment caught on social media appear to be relics from the Cold War. There is a site that claims to keep track of destroyed Russian equipment supported with photos, I do not know how accurate the information is but look at the ancient tank model designations.
Edit: Don't get me wrong! Anti-tank weapons certainly are very effective in driving tank development to smaller and faster tanks; I just want to post that the Russian behaviour in Ukraine is a poor example of tank warfare.
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16.03.2022, 19:11
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Yep. I guess that's why only Zelensky's speech is being reported. The Czar says that tough times are ahead, inflation and unemployment, and economy needs "structural" changes but we'll make it and all our goals will be achieved by 2030. Translation: ordinary citizens are ed. | | | | | Well, he does not care about ordinary citizens and how difficult it will be for them, all he cares about are his ambitions and his cronies' interests.
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16.03.2022, 19:14
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | the famous "ghost of Kyiv" was always an "in joke" but many did not get the joke | | | | | Maybe it's just a matter of "lost in translation", ghost instead of spirit.
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16.03.2022, 19:15
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
More from the speech (deepl)
The West will bet on the fifth column, on national traitors, many of these people are mentally there in the West, not here, not with the people, not in Russia - Vladimir Putin.
The collective West is trying to divide our society by speculating on war losses, on the consequences of sanctions.
"Any nation, so much the more the Russian people, will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scumbags and traitors and will simply spit them out like a random gnat. I am convinced that this natural self-purification of society, will only strengthen our country," Putin said.
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16.03.2022, 19:25
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"Any nation, so much the more the Russian people, will always be able to distinguish true patriots from scumbags and traitors and will simply spit them out like a random gnat. I am convinced that this natural self-purification of society, will only strengthen our country," Putin said.
| | | | | The Fuehrer could not have said it better.
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16.03.2022, 19:37
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Video from the airport: | | | | | From the way the person filming is driving freely around can we assume Kherson Airport is no longer in Russian hands?
Forgot to say it is the "mud" season in Ukraine that caused huge problems for the Napoleon and Hitler invasions.
Tanks are best used for attacks across wide fronts, due to the mud the Russians have to use roads so the widest tank front is, at best, three tanks wide so making them vulnerable to anti-tank weapons which destroy tanks so blocking the road and, due to the mud, it is hard for undamaged tanks to divert around any destroyed tanks.
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16.03.2022, 19:41
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe it's just a matter of "lost in translation", ghost instead of spirit. | | | | | no, exactly ghost (привід)
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16.03.2022, 19:43
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