World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? - Page 232

vladest · #**4621** 16.03.2022, 20:03

	Quote:
	To those analysts abroad, notably in those European Union countries with a long-standing tolerance of Vladimir Putin’s Russia, such as Germany and Italy, who are calling on Ukraine to surrender because they can't stand watching the horrors of war, here’s the message on behalf of Ukrainians: that's not going to happen.

https://cepa.org/ukraine-wont-surren...ain-europeans/

slammer · #**4622** 16.03.2022, 20:20

	Quote:	marton
	I do not agree. What we are seeing is a Russian demonstration of how to deploy tanks whilst ignoring established military doctrine. Edit: Don't get me wrong! Anti-tank weapons certainly are very effective in driving tank development to smaller and faster tanks; I just want to post that the Russian behaviour in Ukraine is a poor example of tank warfare.

Of course there is the astonishing amount of incompetence shown by the Russians in this conflict, however now that loitering munitions have been fielded , (first time in the Armenia-Aserbaichan conflict where they totally destroyed the Armenian armor.) The ability for a MBT to survive is very limited. It´s not just the vulnerability of armor, it´s also a matter of economics, a device costing 100 grand can take out a tank costing north of 20 million a pop with ease.

marton · #**4623** 16.03.2022, 20:59

	Quote:	slammer
	Of course there is the astonishing amount of incompetence shown by the Russians in this conflict, however now that loitering munitions have been fielded , (first time in the Armenia-Aserbaichan conflict where they totally destroyed the Armenian armor.) The ability for a MBT to survive is very limited. It´s not just the vulnerability of armor, it´s also a matter of economics, a device costing 100 grand can take out a tank costing north of 20 million a pop with ease.

Javelin anti-tank weapons were first deployed in 1996. The Javelin was used by the US Army, the US Marine Corps and the Australian Special Forces in the 2003 invasion of Iraq on Iraqi Type 69 and Lion of Babylon tanks.

marton · #**4624** 16.03.2022, 21:26

	Quote:	greenmount
	I guess (s)he doesn't believe there is a war in Ukraine.... This is a peace intervention and it will stop as soon as Ukraine surrenders, accepts a puppet pro-Moscow regime, reforms their society as to correspond to "the new reality" AND PAYS RUSSIA WAR REPARATIONS. has anyone listened to that dumb-traitor mayor with whom the legal mayor of Melitopol was replaced by the occupants? Did anyone have a "oh my god, back to '45" cold feeling? Here... https://news.sky.com/video/ukraine-w...eople-12565081 Start "living in a new way". Wow.

Ukranian Government just announced they have rescued "the legal mayor of Melitopol".
Ukrainians are really cool

Slovakia has preliminarily agreed to provide Ukraine with S-300 Soviet-era air defense system to help defend against Russian airstrikes

TinyK · #**4625** 16.03.2022, 21:38

	Quote:	marton
	From the way the person filming is driving freely around can we assume Kherson Airport is no longer in Russian hands?

No, it was filmed by Russians.

NotAllThere · #**4626** 16.03.2022, 21:38

This is why Ukraine will win. They're cool and down with the kids, and Russia? So square, daddio.

greenmount · #**4627** 16.03.2022, 22:35

	Quote:	AbFab
	Thanks for the glimpse of life in a parallel universe…

The level of disinformation is astonishing....there are so many rumours and fake news planted by Kremlin via FB (the platform they banned in Ru..) that even basically decent but gullible people can fall for..the information war is NOT over.
Stay tuned.

Vushka's parallel universe is the universe of many..

Excad · #**4628** 16.03.2022, 22:57

https://youtu.be/E_VtMgsjwJ4

How that man is able to talk about this so calmly is beyond my comprehension. Maybe he set it as his mission, since there is nothing else left in his life. Heartbreaking

komsomolez · #**4629** 16.03.2022, 23:25

Excellent interview. The title is a bit misleading as the interviewee worked for VP Biden, not President Biden.

Inside Biden’s Ukraine War Room

Joe Biden’s former Ukraine advisor reveals how the White House assesses Putin’s military objectives, his sanity (or lack thereof), and the best- and worst-case endgames for the Russia-Ukraine crisis.

https://puck.news/inside-bidens-ukra...puck.news&s=09

slammer · #**4630** 17.03.2022, 07:56

	Quote:	komsomolez
	Excellent interview. The title is a bit misleading as the interviewee worked for VP Biden, not President Biden. Inside Biden’s Ukraine War Room Joe Biden’s former Ukraine advisor reveals how the White House assesses Putin’s military objectives, his sanity (or lack thereof), and the best- and worst-case endgames for the Russia-Ukraine crisis. https://puck.news/inside-bidens-ukra...puck.news&s=09

Been taken down. 404.

Phil_MCR · #**4631** 17.03.2022, 08:36

	Quote:	slammer
	Been taken down. 404.

https://puck.news/inside-bidens-ukraine-war-room/

slammer · #**4632** 17.03.2022, 08:41

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	https://puck.news/inside-bidens-ukraine-war-room/

Wants a sign up, Ah well.

robBob · #**4633** 17.03.2022, 09:25

FYI
https://truthout.org/articles/chomsk...using-to-join/

TinyK · #**4634** 17.03.2022, 09:47

	Quote:	marton
	Ukranian Government just announced they have rescued "the legal mayor of Melitopol". Ukrainians are really cool

Exchanged for 9 Russian soldiers. Typical strategy from Russian occupants: get civilians as hostages and than exchange them for soldiers. They are doing it since 2014.

Axa · #**4635** 17.03.2022, 10:55

Well, the time for Russian refugees has arrived:

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	President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday delivered a stark warning to Russian "traitors" who he said the West wanted to use as a "fifth column" to destroy the country. The Kremlin leader assailed Russians who he said were more mentally in tune with the West than Russia, and said the Russian people would quickly be able to tell the difference between traitors and patriots. "Of course they (the West) will try to bet on the so-called fifth column, on traitors - on those who earn their money here, but live over there. Live, not in the geographical sense, but in the sense of their thoughts, their slavish thinking. Any people, and especially the Russian people, will always be able to distinguish the true patriots from the scum and the traitors, and just to spit them out like a midge that accidentally flew into their mouths....I am convinced that this natural and necessary self-cleansing of society will only strengthen our country, our solidarity, cohesion and readiness to meet any challenge."

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/putin-w...-scum/47438776

Putin is fighting a war in Syria, another in Ukraine and now a new war started within Russia. I wouldn't be surprised if the war against scum and traitors ends with more deaths than the one in Ukraine. Russian dictators and their purges are inseparable.

Aleydis · #**4636** 17.03.2022, 11:06

	Quote:	robBob
	FYI https://truthout.org/articles/chomsk...using-to-join/

Unfortunately this makes a lot of sense. Putin must be given a way out even if it's just for the purpose of ceasefire. President Biden calling him a war criminal (which he is) and delivery of military equipment to Ukraine does not help. At the end of the day it serves as a reminder of hypocrisy of US foreign policy of the last decades. I see no chance of Putin being overthrown. The people who understand that the psychopath-in-chief is destroying Russia as well as Ukraine are a small minority. Maybe the (former) oligarchs will come up with something �� and we go back to the good old cleptocracy. But, as Mr. Chomsky points out, there is no guarantee that someone even worse does not take over.

Axa · #**4637** 17.03.2022, 11:17

3 weeks into the war there are some politicians that still declare love to Putin in public.

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	BELGRADE, March 16. /TASS/. Europe is responsible for the crisis in Ukraine which it has triggered itself, the leader of the United Serbia party, parliament member Dragan Markovic said on TV on Wednesday. "It is those who bombed Serbia that are now speculating about people dying in Ukraine more than anybody else. How many civilians were killed in Serbia in the bombing raids on the Varvarin Bridge on an Orthodox holiday, on a passenger train in Grdelica, a whole street in Aleksinac, where there are no military facilities at all, on Nis, and on bridges in Novi Sad? We experienced all that and, believe me, we find it terrible to see people flee their homes. We love both peoples, though our ties with Russia are tighter. I believe that those who started all this must bear the brunt of responsibility," he said. "Europe claims this is a great injustice. But what about Operation Storm then?"

https://tass.com/world/1422943

The irony here is that Serbians/Serbian origin living in Switzerland is much much larger than the number of Serbians living in Russia in spite of tighter ties.

marton · #**4638** 17.03.2022, 11:19

Reports that Russia is calling more soldiers from all directions in Russia and from allies, believed to be due to heavy losses (meaning dead, wounded, and deserters).

Video of Russian tank being destroyed in Mariupol with antitank weaponry, do not watch if you do not have a strong stomach.

Ato · #**4639** 17.03.2022, 11:26

	Quote:	marton
	Reports that Russia is calling more soldiers from all directions in Russia and from allies, believed to be due to heavy losses (meaning dead, wounded, and deserters). Video of Russian tank being destroyed in Mariupol with antitank weaponry, do not watch if you do not have a strong stomach.

Where is the infantry support?

slammer · #**4640** 17.03.2022, 11:39

	Quote:	marton
	Reports that Russia is calling more soldiers from all directions in Russia and from allies, believed to be due to heavy losses (meaning dead, wounded, and deserters). Video of Russian tank being destroyed in Mariupol with antitank weaponry, do not watch if you do not have a strong stomach.

Makes you almost feel sorry for the tank.