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17.03.2022, 16:02
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | |
Also, how can Biden call Putin a "War Criminal" and expect from Putin to shake hands and sit across from him at some summit in the future?
| | | | | Maybe he's not planning too. One doesn't do business with war criminals.
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17.03.2022, 16:13
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe he's not planning too. One doesn't do business with war criminals. | | | | | Unless they are allies.
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17.03.2022, 16:18
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe he's not planning too. One doesn't do business with war criminals. | | | | | WTF?
They don't even know what's gonna happen next week.
It's not like this is Axis vs. Allies. In fact, they've already rule out going for WW3.
Probably because they don't want to fight WW4 with sticks and stones, to paraphrase Einstein.
It's a complicated world these days. And there certainly isn't any black-and-white anymore. Not since quite some time.
The US is cooperating nicely with the Taliban in Kabul, when it comes to fighting IS, BTW.
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17.03.2022, 16:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | what downsides? | | | | | Record prices, and risk of physical shortages due to the reckless behaviour of the main supplier, maybe?
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17.03.2022, 16:30
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | UA will have to look after their own interests. they can strike a deal now or wait until more of their cities are flattened and their citizens die or leave. | | | | | or until ru will be over with soldiers
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17.03.2022, 16:34
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | what downsides? | | | | | blackmailing. constant risk of blackmailing in case of any little disagreements
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17.03.2022, 16:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | WTF?
They don't even know what's gonna happen next week.
It's not like this is Axis vs. Allies. In fact, they've already rule out going for WW3.
Probably because they don't want to fight WW4 with sticks and stones, to paraphrase Einstein.
It's a complicated world these days. And there certainly isn't any black-and-white anymore. Not since quite some time.
The US is cooperating nicely with the Taliban in Kabul, when it comes to fighting IS, BTW. | | | | |
Tell me when the world was black-and-white. Warning - the Bible doesn't count.
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17.03.2022, 16:52
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Tell me when the world was black-and-white. Warning - the Bible doesn't count. | | | | | 1935, although there was a lot of grey areas as well. Thank you kodak.
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17.03.2022, 17:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The US is cooperating nicely with the Taliban in Kabul, when it comes to fighting IS, BTW. | | | | | Which kind of shows that hand shaking is not necessary for business.
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17.03.2022, 17:32
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | They had already signed the Budapest Memorandum in 1994 and he still attacked Ru's neighbours. Time and again, it appears one Treaty, one Agreement does not stop these tyrants from attacking other countries. Do I have any reasons to believe otherwise? | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | And they signed the Minsk agreements but continued to provide military support to the separatists, sadly Russia cannot be trusted. | | | | | The US themselves see the Budapest memorandum as not binding.
Can't really expect that others do what you don't do yourself.
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17.03.2022, 17:33
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Record prices, and risk of physical shortages due to the reckless behaviour of the main supplier, maybe? | | | | | well, russian oil prices are actually selling at a discount to other oil suppliers. | Quote: | |  | | | blackmailing. constant risk of blackmailing in case of any little disagreements | | | | | certainly a possibility, but currently sanctions are very strong and yet russia maintain commitment to supply.
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17.03.2022, 18:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | well, russian oil prices are actually selling at a discount to other oil suppliers. | | | | | Maybe you should look at gas prices which are a multiple of oil prices now and where Russia supplies 40% of Europe's demand.
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17.03.2022, 18:19
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Maybe you should look at gas prices which are a multiple of oil prices now and where Russia supplies 40% of Europe's demand. | | | | | US LNG prices are also higher than Russian gas.
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17.03.2022, 18:25
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Tell me when the world was black-and-white. Warning - the Bible doesn't count. | | | | | I've read the Bible. It's certainly not black and white. Jesus even said that that the wheat and the weeds would grow to together - so similar that it's only at harvest anyone can tell which is which
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17.03.2022, 18:26
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Unless they are allies. | | | | | Let me guess. You're referring to Blair
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17.03.2022, 18:34
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | well, russian oil prices are actually selling at a discount to other oil suppliers. | | | | | In recent days traders and European refineries have greatly reduced their purchases of Russian oil. Some have stopped altogether.
Buyers are pulling back because they or the shipping companies, banks and insurance companies they use are worried about running afoul of Western sanctions in place now or those that might come later, energy experts said.
Others are worried that shipments could be hit by missiles, and some just don’t want to risk being seen as bankrolling the government of President Vladimir V. Putin.
Fuel oil loadings from the Russian Black Sea port of Taman are much reduced as it is in a war zone plus the difficulty of getting insurance for the oil tankers at reasonable rates or even at all.
Russian exporters have been offering the country’s highest-quality oil at a discount of up to $20 a barrel in recent days but have found few buyers
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17.03.2022, 18:34
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Also, how can Biden call Putin a "War Criminal" and expect from Putin to shake hands and sit across from him at some summit in the future? | | | | | It's very easy... even the Queen and Martin McGuinness did not have a problem doing it. Churchill did not have a problem shaking hands with Micheal Collins and surprised Collins by expressing a wish to meet him, despite having put a bounty of 10k on his head which was a lot of dosh in 1921.
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17.03.2022, 18:36
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | US LNG prices are also higher than Russian gas. | | | | | Utter nonsense. US LNG is a price taker not a price setter. It is cheap on loading in the US, but it will go to the highest paying market (Europe or Asia) and collect that price.
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17.03.2022, 18:42
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I've read the Bible. It's certainly not black and white. Jesus even said that that the wheat and the weeds would grow to together - so similar that it's only at harvest anyone can tell which is which | | | | | Not black and white, you mean this version? | This user would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | This user groans at marton for this post: | | 
17.03.2022, 20:17
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
The Economist Asks: Andrei Kozyrev
Host Anne McElvoy asks the former Russian foreign minister how war in Ukraine will change Vladimir Putin’s standing at home and abroad. They discuss the remarkable acts of dissent happening around Russia and what methods Western leaders should use to negotiate with Mr Putin. Plus, what are the chances for democracy returning to Russia? https://open.spotify.com/episode/36V...urce=copy-link |
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