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Old 19.03.2022, 13:28
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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It never was, that's what you keep ignoring. A memorandum is not a treaty.
This debate is a total red herring. Russia has acknowledged Ukraine and the principles of sovereignty and borders many times. See the link below for a good overview. Also, the text of the Budapest memorandum (linked in the link) seems pretty clear to me.

https://www.robert-schuman.eu/en/eur...ernational-law
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Some of the images may be disturbing, but appropriate in context, imo.

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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Well. That didn't work and I can't seem to edit it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHjpiJUw-ic
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Old 19.03.2022, 14:04
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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Interesting development. Russian Orthodox Chuch in Amsterdam breaks with Moscow.
This is an ongoing story which has been rumbling on for a few weeks. If you're interested...

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ch-2022-03-14/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/relig...eir-own-peril/

https://www.ekathimerini.com/society...from-teaching/

https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/11...f-hostilities/
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Old 19.03.2022, 14:06
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Well this isn't subtle!

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Old 19.03.2022, 15:21
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Yeah, good on them. May pay the price when they return home of course, but they've made their feelings clear.
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Old 19.03.2022, 15:31
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Let's discuss what happened yesterday at that "spontaneous" festival that Putin attended and where the now largely known ideas were reiterated.
Seems there was a break in transmission in the middle of Putin's televised speech; claimed to be a "technical glitch".
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Old 19.03.2022, 15:54
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Yeah, good on them. May pay the price when they return home of course, but they've made their feelings clear.
They're back in six months. Maybe the horse will sing.
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Old 19.03.2022, 16:32
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Yeah, good on them. May pay the price when they return home of course, but they've made their feelings clear.
I'd like to know how they pulled that off! Someone in the Space Agency had to make those suits.
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Old 19.03.2022, 16:35
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I'd like to know how they pulled that off! Someone in the Space Agency had to make those suits.
That's what I was thinking. They don't look home-made and I bet they have a team of technicians who help them get into their pressurised suits they use for launch who must have seen them.

I suspect it's quite a few people who may be in trouble.


Maybe the astronauts thinking is by the time they get home, Putin will be out or there won't be a home to come back to.
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Old 19.03.2022, 17:44
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It never was, that's what you keep ignoring. A memorandum is not a treaty.
I see that apart from me someone else has been addressed this issue , please give it a rest.

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Seems there was a break in transmission in the middle of Putin's televised speech; claimed to be a "technical glitch".
Or is it just another.....uhm, technical embarrassment? I wish it was a form of sabotage but....

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she was 8 years editor of total lies and propaganda channel, and, suddenly when her chief went under sanctions, she is unblinded
i wouldnt trust any single word of the person
OK, probably you know a lot more than I do. I cannot deny it crossed my mind too that she's an actress hired to make us believe that there is some sort of opposition there and look, nothing has happened to her in the sense that she didn't disappear or got suicided....

But..having met quite a few open-minded and really nice people from Russia along the years, I don't know, I still have hopes that there are still people willing to sacrifice their freedom over there and there are still people who would risk many many things in order to protest against this absurd war.

She said she will lose a relatively nice life as a middle-class Muscovite. On top of that have her family blame her for everything. I usually give the benefit of the doubt to anyone and I am willing to believe in the good in people. Hope dies last.

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Old 19.03.2022, 19:48
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Ukraine Punk band, Beton release Kiev Calling version of Clash hit to raise money for Free Ukraine Resistance Movement and to raise global awareness.



If you think they could do something more worthwhile, two of the band members are in the Ukrainian Territorial Defence and the third is an orthapedic doctor currently treating civilians and soldiers.
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Old 19.03.2022, 19:51
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Good read, some relevant points. The Obama war game one about retaliating against Belarus instead of Russia is interesting.

The World’s Most Dangerous Man

Putin’s Unconstrained Power Over Russia’s Nuclear Arsenal
By Scott D. Sagan

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...=twitter_posts
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Old 19.03.2022, 20:42
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

So yesterday at the Make Russia Great Again rally, a song that seems to redefine Russian borders to include Ukraine, Crimea, Belarus and Moldava. So they mean "make great" quite literally. Remarkable also that the name of the "song" seems to be "Made in USSR".

https://twitter.com/SimonOstrovsky/s...Nw2nA-fWw&s=19
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Here it is - the sum of all fears on Channel 4 tonight !!

What if Putin goes Nuclear ! !

Now available on Channel 4 catchup on the link below:
Warning in some places it's like watching Threads, so not for the faint hearted.

UK's Channel 4 - What if Putin goes Nuclear ??
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Old 19.03.2022, 22:09
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she was 8 years editor of total lies and propaganda channel, and, suddenly when her chief went under sanctions, she is unblinded
i wouldnt trust any single word of the person
It's either that or a false flag operation. I'm going for the unblinded.
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Re: Who has registered to take Ukrainian refugees.

Ukraine refugees, why the US has allowed so few:



https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/19/p...ers/index.html


probably more interested in business, selling wapons to Europe?
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

One day when this is all over I am asking myself what will the Ukrainian Paramilitaries do..?
These nazi (for want of a better word) brigades have been active since 2014 fighting the Russians. They seem to be really ultranationalist to the core and judging by their atrocities a reason (also if you ask me) for Russia to want to stop their farting in church. They are the Gangrape and head on a Pike kind of guys.
What are they going to do when the fighting is over and Selensky asks them to hand over their weapons?
Any bets that Ukraine will erupt in civil war?
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Slammer, meantime the real nazis are the Russian army who used hypersonic missiles for two days in a row, attacking schools, residential buildings, the population.
There are taking place real atrocities as we speak.

Worry for that. Please.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...0802572/page/2
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Slammer, meantime the real nazis are the Russian army who used hypersonic missiles for two days in a row, attacking schools, residential buildings, the population.
There are taking place real atrocities as we speak.

Worry for that. Please.

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-...0802572/page/2
Calling all and sundry nazis is a But overused. But yes for that too, there is a reason why this has escalated to thermobarics and hypersonic missiles.
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