Can you please explain to us 'how it is' in this particular latest conflict? I assume you have some good detailed info to share on how Russia are justified in razing Ukraine and indiscriminately butchering civilians, other than the: "rid Ukraine of Nazis" spiel of course?

Well here is the world according to Slammer.
First of all Russia was never going to give up Crimea, was not going to happen, never, ever so fugeddaboudit. The price of peace in Ukraine was Crimea.
Donbas and that other bit were predominantly occupied by people who looked more to Moskau instead of Kiev. Makes sense seeing that eventhough Russia‘s economy is a basketcase, Ukraine’s economy is a bit more basketcase-ier.
So what do we have..?
Two regions wanting to stay Russian and Ukraine ultra nationalists causing trouble.
If that isn‘t a casus belli for Russian nationalists then I don‘t know what is.
Don‘t forget we are not dealing with the western idealized plucky Ukrainian underdog against the Russian Balrog, this is the reality of a war where women and children are just statistics at best, heartstring tugging propaganda tools at worst.
If this were a fight between „good and evil“ why hasn‘t „good“ NATO stepped in and stopped „bad“ Russia, nukes be damned?

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I'm not totally convinced that this view is entirely consistent with reality.

First this isn't a fight between good and evil. It's fight against evil.

Second, because there's no desire to escalate the war beyond the current boundaries. That would be a greater evil. You see, it's not black and white, good vs evil.

Meanwhile, the the Klitschko brothers are weighing in (pun intended) "we will defend every street and every building".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0bttlq2

Tom

Why despite Dresden?

Tom

When you wrote this, did you notice how stupid this argument is?

If the price would have been Crimea, Putin wouldn't have encouraged and armed the separatists regions. If the price would have been the two pseudo-republics Putin would have deployed military forces over there and conquered that area not Kiev and Mariupol etc.

To clarify:

In the second world war it was Germany Boo, Allies Yay - even though the Allies did terrible things like the bombing of Dresden. (Although some view even that to be justified).

never say never
Crimea was captured but there is no peace and never was since Feb, 2014
so you are lying

he wrote this because this was written in his ru propaganda guidelines

No. He genuinely believes it.

well. for every sane person its obvious that its not like this. so every person still claims this or dumber then dumb or spreading russian propaganda narratives

Of course, Putin is not going to give up Crimea. But nothing ensures Russia/Russian Federation stays as it is without some kind of transformation such as breakup, secession, revolution, civil war, etc.

Current war is putting Russia's internal union at stress. How much can it hold?

We have a serial groaner "sezegnin" who came out of nowhere and groans every single post which is not pro-Putin...

sezegnin, maybe just explain what's in your mind instead of groaning. You won't change anyone's mind with groaning. Would be way more productive for our discussion if you would explain where you don't agree and why.

Well! Back then! Bomb dropping was not the precision art of today's cruise missiles that can selectively sniff out military targets. Back then slow bomb dropping planes got fired on. So, they couldn't quite sit around trying to figure exactly where the factories producing war goods like bombs labelled for London were. Therefore, they had no choice but to level the whole town. Preventive self-defense!

Claims that Razvozhayev, 51, the deputy commander of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet was killed in Mariupol, another high ranking officer following the deaths of five generals. It is believed one key target of the drones is Russian field HQs.

South-west of Kyiv, the Ukrainians reported the complete destruction of the 331st Russian Airborne Forces Regiment.

Claimed sole prototype of the new Russian T-80UM2 Black Hawk tank is confirmed as destroyed by the Ukrainian, photo below.
Edit: Seems this tank is not new as I claimed, it was developed on the late 1990's but was abandoned after only one prototype was built, you can see it has seven wheels driving the treads; the standard T80 has 6.
Strange they sent this rare beast into battle, maybe running short of tanks.


@Slammer So the Ukrainians were complaining about Russia stealing large parts of their country and therefore Russia was justified in invading the remaining part of the country including murdering civilians in their thousands to shut them up from complaining?

Good, the Swiss are worrying about being perceived as 21st century pirates. But, I'm envious at this mastery of language. The guy used the beautiful euphemism of "all kinds of people"



https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/swiss-m...archs/47448216

I think it's great she's here, he's hardly going to nuke us now is he?
How can we ensure she stays here? Give her the passport?

its new russian groan-bot