World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? - Page 240

keyboardandmouse · #**4781** 21.03.2022, 11:25

	Quote:	Ato
	I think it's great she's here, he's hardly going to nuke us now is he? How can we ensure she stays here? Give her the passport?

This is the best comment this year on EF!!! Its funny bts also correct!! He isnt going to blow the shit out of his own daughter. can someone on the forum take her skiing or something or cook her a fondue at least.

keyboardandmouse · #**4782** 21.03.2022, 11:27

	Quote:	vladest
	its new russian groan-bot

We have to also consider that anyone posting on this forum may already have been compromised by Russian - or Ukranian - forces and in fact its speaking the country mouthpiece.

And hats off to the serial groaner. I mean if thats some poor sod clicking groan on every post rather than an automated piece of script he deserves a small medal just for perseverance.

Excad · #**4783** 21.03.2022, 11:43

	Quote:	keyboardandmouse
	This is the best comment this year on EF!!! Its funny bts also correct!! He isnt going to blow the shit out of his own daughter. can someone on the forum take her skiing or something or cook her a fondue at least.

I think she has the Swiss passport already.

I would never expel her from Switzerland. Actually I think we should do the opposite - making sure she stays in Switzerland with every mean possible (which means not only "asking politely").

If Putin is caring about sth else than power and money (we are not able to take these from him), that would be his family. Otherwise he would not hide them in Switzerland.

I just hope he didn't go insane after he decided to hide them here. Because that could mean it's possible he stopped caring about his family too.

bowlie · #**4784** 21.03.2022, 12:14

Slammer, I’m confused by one thing. Why aren’t the Russian speaking regions of Eastern and South Eastern Ukraine welcoming their liberators with open arms?

I suspect that while the people may be ethnically more Russian than Ukrainian they are anti-Putin.

NotAllThere · #**4785** 21.03.2022, 12:16

	Quote:	robBob
	Well! Back then! Bomb dropping was not the precision art of today's cruise missiles that can selectively sniff out military targets. Back then slow bomb dropping planes got fired on. So, they couldn't quite sit around trying to figure exactly where the factories producing war goods like bombs labelled for London were. Therefore, they had no choice but to level the whole town. Preventive self-defense!

Thanks Bomber Harris for that rationale.

st2lemans · #**4786** 21.03.2022, 12:27

Volodymyr Zelenskyy 2016 Playing Piano with Penis:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oua0Puihrkc

Tom

st2lemans · #**4787** 21.03.2022, 12:30

	Quote:	greenmount
	We have a serial groaner "sezegnin" who came out of nowhere and groans every single post which is not pro-Putin...

Indeed, he's aiming to surpass me!

Tom

Tom1234 · #**4788** 21.03.2022, 12:41

	Quote:	st2lemans
	Indeed, he's aiming to surpass me! Tom

That would be an incredibly difficult and tedious task!

vladest · #**4789** 21.03.2022, 12:44

	Quote:	Tom1234
	That would be an incredibly difficult and tedious task!

this guy if very helpful with filtering out posts. hope he hired on permanent position

Excad · #**4790** 21.03.2022, 12:44

https://twitter.com/YourAnonTV/statu...BWaQTSj-s243RA

Nestle already hacked, but threatened to be hacked wider

Yeah Mr Anonymous, yeah (computer) science!

Tom1234 · #**4791** 21.03.2022, 13:15

	Quote:	Excad
	Nestle already hacked, but threatened to be hacked wider

Oh come on, Nestle have done loads - they've stopped shipping Nespresso into Russia (but little else).

Link

NotAllThere · #**4792** 21.03.2022, 13:21

	Quote:	Blueangel
	Well this isn't subtle! https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...x=1647664078-1

Russia are saying that it's the colours of the university the men graduated from and sometimes yellow is just yellow. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60804949

True, but one heck of a coincidence! Well, it's Russia denying it, so it MUST be true*!

* Ambiguity deliberate.

Axa · #**4793** 21.03.2022, 13:26

	Quote:	Ato
	I think it's great she's here, he's hardly going to nuke us now is he? How can we ensure she stays here? Give her the passport?

Stats are interesting, Russians love the Swiss passport:

This article is from more naive times, sure it's because they love voting

	Quote:
	Just over 10% of Russians living in Switzerland were naturalised between 2011 and 2017. Russians are a relatively mobile population, but those who come to live in Switzerland want to stay for a long time, says report co-author Professor Philippe Wannerat at UNIGE’s Institute of Demography and Socio-economics. "People who embark on the process intend to settle here for the long term and participate in political life," he explains, adding that a Swiss passport makes mobility easier than a Russian one. Wannerat also mentions another factor: "For people who live in less democratic regimes, the possibility of participating in elections and voting is particularly attractive," he says.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/who-wan...lians/45572170

TinyK · #**4794** 21.03.2022, 13:44

	Quote:	slammer
	If this were a fight between „good and evil“ why hasn‘t „good“ NATO stepped in and stopped „bad“ Russia, nukes be damned?

Good side is Ukraine, an independent country with officially recognised borders, which fights for its territory and people since 2014.

NATO are cowards.

Tom1234 · #**4795** 21.03.2022, 13:51

	Quote:	TinyK
	Good side is Ukraine, an independent country with officially recognised borders, which fights for its territory and people since 2014. NATO are cowards.

Not really - it's not in NATO's remit to defend countries which aren't in NATO - and if they did, it would have to be all of them so it would effectively be a third-world war which nobody wants.

Ato · #**4796** 21.03.2022, 13:53

	Quote:	TinyK
	Good side is Ukraine, an independent country with officially recognised borders, which fights for its territory and people since 2014. NATO are cowards.

NATO is a defensive organisation which is based on mutual defense. As no NATO member has been attacked they do not have a mandate to do anything. The fact that NATO countries are sending arms to Ukraine shows that they care a bit, but do not want to escalate the situation by becoming aggressors.
It's crap for Ukraine, but I can't see them changing anything soon.

greenmount · #**4797** 21.03.2022, 13:56

	Quote:	Ato
	NATO is a defensive organisation which is based on mutual defense. As no NATO member has been attacked they do not have a mandate to do anything. The fact that NATO countries are sending arms to Ukraine shows that they care a bit, but do not want to escalate the situation by becoming aggressors. It's crap for Ukraine, but I can't see them changing anything soon.

They could do more though....I think.

Imagine one day it could be your country being bombed and your people being killed and your president begging others to just do more... I am ashamed. I feel small and powerless. I am not pro-war or anything like this but I can see where TinyK is coming from.

Phil_MCR · #**4798** 21.03.2022, 13:59

	Quote:	Tom1234
	Not really - it's not in NATO's remit to defend countries which aren't in NATO - and if they did, it would have to be all of them so it would effectively be a third-world war which nobody wants.

One reason why UA would never be permitted to join NATO. Though from a Russian perspective, apart from Art.5 protection, UA is becoming something that is as concerning: a de facto NATO country - it's being supplied weapons by NATO countries and it is aligned against Russia.

Maybe there will not be US weapons and armies stationed there, but a local highly trained and motivated force with latest weapons supplied by NATO might be as concerning.

Ato · #**4799** 21.03.2022, 14:00

	Quote:	greenmount
	They could do more though....I think.

I'm sure they could, especially supplying longer range/higher altitude SAM systems. But then they would need to have trainers on the ground in order to have Ukrainians learn their usage. A very fine line to navigate.

What would you suggest they do?

marton · #**4800** 21.03.2022, 14:19

	Quote:	robBob
	Well! Back then! Bomb dropping was not the precision art of today's cruise missiles that can selectively sniff out military targets. Back then slow bomb dropping planes got fired on. So, they couldn't quite sit around trying to figure exactly where the factories producing war goods like bombs labelled for London were. Therefore, they had no choice but to level the whole town. Preventive self-defense!

Unfortunately for Ukraine civilians the Russians actually have very few Precision Guided Missiles (PGM), unlike the US they never developed an "add-on" kit for normal bombs to turn them into PGMs. One view of Russian capabilities here.