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21.03.2022, 19:07
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Sumting went rong
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21.03.2022, 19:12
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | No, NATO are not being stupid and starting WW3.
Tom | | | | | Nato will not send troops at least now, but jfyi, ww3 already started
and Nato definitely helping. if one not see it, doesnt means its not happening
Moreover, 13 countries including ones in Nato, decided to solve UA problem with air defense
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21.03.2022, 19:17
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Clausewitz would disagree. | | | | | Have you ever read „On War“ by Clausewitz? Where he writes that war is the essential fight of nations. „Der Krieg ist also ein Akt der Gewalt, um den Gegner zur Erfüllung unseres Willens zu zwingen.“
„War is an act of violence to force an opponent to bend to our will“
Clausewitz would totally understand.
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21.03.2022, 19:42
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Have you ever read „On War“ by Clausewitz? Where he writes that war is the essential fight of nations. „Der Krieg ist also ein Akt der Gewalt, um den Gegner zur Erfüllung unseres Willens zu zwingen.“
„War is an act of violence to force an opponent to bend to our will“
Clausewitz would totally understand. | | | | | In my remote memories of Clausewitz, he sees war as another form of achieving political goals. Purpose and ambitions define measures (or something like that). It would appear that this war of Putin is so far totally counterproductive to the purpose it was started for.
This war is a giant miscalculation. Even if Russia wins by bombing Ukraine into submission, it will be weaker than at any moment in the last 20 years. It will end up being the bitch of Xi. But for sure, Russia will find its usual way of crying about how it always is the victim of Western aggression.
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21.03.2022, 20:00
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | In my remote memories of Clausewitz, he sees war as another form of achieving political goals. Purpose and ambitions define measures (or something like that). It would appear that this war of Putin is so far totally counterproductive to the purpose it was started for.
This war is a giant miscalculation. Even if Russia wins by bombing Ukraine into submission, it will be weaker than at any moment in the last 20 years. It will end up being the bitch of Xi. But for sure, Russia will find its usual way of crying about how it always is the victim of Western aggression. | | | | | Of course, Putin took a lesson from Clausewitz but forgot to to read Sun Tsu.
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21.03.2022, 20:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
ROFL https://twitter.com/mjluxmoore/statu...K-sqizs1Q&s=19
Anf of course now the numbers have disappeared. If Russia admits 10000 KIA while UA claims 14000, it is a relatively accurate count.
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21.03.2022, 20:14
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Hey, what’s the groan for?I was agreeing with you.
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21.03.2022, 20:52
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21.03.2022, 21:22
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | And Gen Hertling has a good way to measure the Russian losses. 15% of US Army. | The following 2 users would like to thank komsomolez for this useful post: | | This user groans at komsomolez for this post: | | 
21.03.2022, 21:25
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21.03.2022, 22:54
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The fact that NATO countries are sending arms to Ukraine shows that they care a bit, but do not want to escalate the situation by becoming aggressors. | | | | | Defend someone on their territory from invaders is not an aggression. But I don't bother much about NATO anymore. They won't react even if Russia hits the territory of Poland with a missile.
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22.03.2022, 00:02
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Must watch analysis. Is/was live now, hope it stays open. https://www.jfklibrary.org/events-an...sis-in-ukraine | 
22.03.2022, 00:03
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And Gen Hertling has a good way to measure the Russian losses. 15% of US Army.  | | | | | Pravda has now deleted this article, why ever would they do that | 
22.03.2022, 07:41
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Defend someone on their territory from invaders is not an aggression. But I don't bother much about NATO anymore. They won't react even if Russia hits the territory of Poland with a missile. | | | | | My guess is that eventually Poland and NATO will enter Ukraine from the Polish border and will end the movement of the Russian troops to the West of Ukraine. There are a lot of NATO troops concentrated in Poland, and the US embassy is still in Lviv. Possibly they will not let Russia to bomb the whole country. Maybe at the moment they are waiting for the Russian army to weaken itself enough.
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22.03.2022, 07:54
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | My guess is that eventually Poland and NATO will enter Ukraine from the Polish border and will end the movement of the Russian troops to the West of Ukraine. There are a lot of NATO troops concentrated in Poland, and the US embassy is still in Lviv. Possibly they will not let Russia to bomb the whole country. Maybe at the moment they are waiting for the Russian army to weaken itself enough. | | | | | Will Putin accept this humiliation? I am almost sure now he might want to use those chemical and biological weapons in UA, those who was accusing UA of having.
With Putin you must read everything in reverse:
When Putin says "nazis" in reference to others he actually means him and his system.
When Putin accused others of doing something, he only pointed at what he's currently doing.
If you want to understand what he's doing or going to do you have to read his discourses in this key. Projections.
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22.03.2022, 08:48
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Will Putin accept this humiliation? I am almost sure now he might want to use those chemical and biological weapons in UA, those who was accusing UA of having.
With Putin you must read everything in reverse:
When Putin says "nazis" in reference to others he actually means him and his system.
When Putin accused others of doing something, he only pointed at what he's currently doing.
If you want to understand what he's doing or going to do you have to read his discourses in this key. Projections. | | | | | So if he threatens to use nuclear weapons its not so? | 
22.03.2022, 09:02
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Pravda has now deleted this article, why ever would they do that  | | | | |
Yeah, someone has "deleted" this "article" from his MS Word file | 
22.03.2022, 09:25
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | So if he threatens to use nuclear weapons its not so?  | | | | | What do you think?
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22.03.2022, 09:27
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | What do you think? | | | | | I think he's crazy and that anything is possible.
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22.03.2022, 09:32
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I think he's crazy and that anything is possible. | | | | | That he is crazy and dangerous.....we all know. In his mind, a world without Russia in command for at least what they consider their sphere of influence and vassal states is a world not worth living... 
I wonder if there's anyone in his command centre willing to follow this last step though.
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