 | | | 
22.03.2022, 09:38
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: ZH
Posts: 2,196
Groaned at 39 Times in 35 Posts
Thanked 4,419 Times in 1,765 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | That he is crazy and dangerous.....we all know. In his mind, a world without Russia in command for at least what they consider their sphere of influence and vassal states is a world not worth living...
I wonder if there's anyone in his command centre willing to follow this last step though. | | | | | The last step being destroying the world, or the bit where one person stops living?
I know which one I'd prefer.
| 
22.03.2022, 10:09
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Basel
Posts: 15,587
Groaned at 304 Times in 204 Posts
Thanked 19,871 Times in 8,375 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
For those of you who want to leave the world of discussion of LGBTQ pronouns here's the red pill that gives you a glimpse of the world through a different lens: | This user would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post: | | 
22.03.2022, 10:16
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 5,579
Groaned at 105 Times in 96 Posts
Thanked 8,182 Times in 3,834 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | For those of you who want to leave the world of discussion of LGBTQ pronouns here's the red pill that gives you a glimpse of the world through a different lens: | | | | | Stopped after 5 seconds of music and blurry images, anything interesting after that?
| 
22.03.2022, 10:19
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kt.Zh
Posts: 12,166
Groaned at 487 Times in 402 Posts
Thanked 19,073 Times in 9,648 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Stopped after 5 seconds of music and blurry images, anything interesting after that? | | | | | Does it have anything to do with Russian invasion of Ukraine?
I suspect Phil's comment is connected to Putin's speech in which he stated that Russian "traitors" can't live without "Western values" such as gender equality.
I propose for debate more relevant issues, such as the so called "Slavophilia" | Quote: |  | | | The Russian Empire, besides containing Russians, ruled over millions of Ukrainians, Poles and Belarusians, who had their own national identities, traditions and religions. Towards Ukrainians and Belarusians, the Slavophiles developed the view that they were part of the same "Great Russian" nation, Belarusians being the "White Russians" and Ukrainians "Little Russians". Slavophile thinkers such as Mikhail Katkov believed that both nations should be ruled under Russian leadership and were an essential part of the Russian state.[7] At the same time, they denied the separate cultural identity of Ukrainian and Belarusian people,[7] believing their national as well as language and literary aspirations were a result of "Polish intrigue" to separate them from Russians.[8] Other Slavophiles, like Ivan Aksakov, recognized the right of Ukrainians to use the Ukrainian language but saw it as completely unnecessary and harmful.[9] Aksakov, however, did see some practical use for the "Malorussian" language: it would be beneficial in the struggle against the "Polish civilizational element in the western provinces".[7] | | | | | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavophilia
From my POV this is a worldview they still hold.
Last edited by greenmount; 22.03.2022 at 10:54.
Reason: long quotes, typos etc
| This user would like to thank greenmount for this useful post: | | 
22.03.2022, 12:37
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 12,381
Groaned at 721 Times in 605 Posts
Thanked 24,090 Times in 12,615 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
In Vladimir Putin's tirade against Russian “traitors” around a week ago he accused of seeking to undermine Russia from within has been called “Orwellian” and drawn comparison with the rhetoric of Stalin-era purges.
Maybe Putin is planning to purge some senior military and FSB people to shift the blame for the Ukraine disaster.
I doubt Ukraine will win the war but they have and continue to give Russia a very bloody nose; unfortunately, it is not people close to Putin but the many people in the Russian military who are wounded and dying which likely does not interest Putin at all.
It would be nice to believe this will destabilise Putin but more likely he will be successful in manipulating people to blame Ukraine and violently suppress any dissent.
| The following 3 users would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
22.03.2022, 14:52
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: SZ
Posts: 4,089
Groaned at 399 Times in 285 Posts
Thanked 8,790 Times in 3,758 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Did we have this here, from two days ago? It is probably bullshit and just UA trying to play mind games. Russia's Elite Want Putin Out, Successor in Mind: Ukraine Intel Chief https://www.newsweek.com/russias-eli...-chief-1689830 | 
22.03.2022, 15:52
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Kt. Zürich
Posts: 12,381
Groaned at 721 Times in 605 Posts
Thanked 24,090 Times in 12,615 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | I am sure they do want him out but it is about as likely as my wish to win the lottery coming true.
| 
22.03.2022, 15:53
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Geneva
Posts: 1,909
Groaned at 240 Times in 161 Posts
Thanked 2,327 Times in 1,116 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | |
Did anyone ever expect him too ?
| This user would like to thank Biro for this useful post: | | 
22.03.2022, 16:04
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | This is indeed a bizarre situation. Europe pays Russia for gas. Russia pays Ukraine for transit of gas. No signs of this being stopped. | | | | | I have tried to find information about the gas transit, and found that it actually has increased since the fighting started. Since February 25th the amount of gas transit through Ukraine almost doubled compared with the „pre-war“ amount, and reached 109 million cubic meters per day, which is maximum according to the current contract with Gazprom. Transit of the Russian gas to Europe gives Ukraine up to $2 billion annually.
Formally Russia is not in war with Ukraine, the Russians claim that it is not a war but a special operation. Without declaration of war, the contract for gas transit is valid and gas keeps going. Both sides seem to take care not to damage the transit system.
| The following 2 users would like to thank for this useful post: | | 
22.03.2022, 16:05
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2019 Location: Suhr, Aargau
Posts: 5,579
Groaned at 105 Times in 96 Posts
Thanked 8,182 Times in 3,834 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
At first I thought it was a bad joke about WWIII by CNN, nope it was WWII, number 2... a border dispute 77 years old. The relative power of Russia decays by the day, so interesting things to come. | Quote: |  | | | Japan opposes Russian withdrawal from World War II peace treaty talks over sanctions | | | | | https://edition.cnn.com/2022/03/21/a...hnk/index.html | 
22.03.2022, 16:45
|  | Modulo 2 | | Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Baselland
Posts: 16,199
Groaned at 348 Times in 301 Posts
Thanked 25,607 Times in 10,426 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | 
22.03.2022, 17:05
| Senior Member | | Join Date: May 2007 Location: Geneva
Posts: 457
Groaned at 63 Times in 39 Posts
Thanked 1,311 Times in 732 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Another Russian journalist has broken ranks. Has an interesting take on how propaganda works.
15:40 Ukraine war was red line I could not cross - Russian journalist | Quote: |  | | | A senior foreign correspondent for the Russian TV station Channel One has told a news conference in Paris she resigned from her post earlier this month in opposition to the war in Ukraine.
Zhanna Agalakova, who was a news presenter before taking up postings in Paris and New York, said she had long been troubled by the "propaganda" put out by news media in Russia, but that the war was a "red line" she could not cross.
When the war broke out she said there was "no question" of continuing and calling it an operation for peace.
"It was war," she said.
"I know they will accuse me of being a spy. But no-one paid me. I work for no-one except my country. I want my people to be able to see propaganda for what it is; to seek other sources of information; to stop being turned into zombies."
Agalakova, who began her career in 1991 for the Russian news agency Novosti, added: "We've got to a situation where, in the media, we only get one point of view, the Kremlin's."
Agalakova said that as a news anchor in the early 2000s, she "felt already heavy pressure. Every day we had to show this one person... [And then] he became our second president. It was we [journalists] who set him up. We forged his image".
But she said that in New York in 2013 - leading up to the first Ukrainian war - she was under constant pressure to produce only bad news about the US.
"I never told lies. But that is how propaganda works. You take facts that are true, you arrange them, and you deliver a great big lie," she said.
"Each fact is true, but taken together, it's propaganda." | | | | | | 
22.03.2022, 17:13
| Senior Member | | Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: Happy Valley
Posts: 459
Groaned at 42 Times in 33 Posts
Thanked 1,014 Times in 430 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: |  | | | "I never told lies. But that is how propaganda works. You take facts that are true, you arrange them, and you deliver a great big lie," she said.
"Each fact is true, but taken together, it's propaganda." | | | | | Exactly how the populist agitators are working. Look at the anti covid / anti-vax propaganda for nice examples as well. The Clifton playbook indeed. | Quote: | |  | | | For those of you who want to leave the world of discussion of LGBTQ pronouns here's the red pill that gives you a glimpse of the world through a different lens: | | | | | The Brexit / anti-EU element on here should usefully listen to (OK, read) from about 0:25 to 0:51.
| 
22.03.2022, 19:28
| Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Feb 2020 Location: Zürich
Posts: 800
Groaned at 109 Times in 69 Posts
Thanked 1,108 Times in 550 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | i never told lies. | | | | | :d
| This user would like to thank vladest for this useful post: | | 
22.03.2022, 21:45
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kt.Zh
Posts: 12,166
Groaned at 487 Times in 402 Posts
Thanked 19,073 Times in 9,648 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Another Russian journalist has broken ranks. Has an interesting take on how propaganda works. | | | | | Except when they told blatant lies.....the bigger the lies the better it works (-ed)...
Meantime those journalists who try to publish more objectively are arrested or have already left the country. | Quote: |  | | | Russian investigators said Tuesday they had launched a criminal case against a popular journalist for alleging that Moscow's army deliberately shelled a maternity hospital in Ukraine's embattled city of Mariupol.
Alexander Nevzorov is the first prominent political reporter and commentator to be probed for spreading "false" information about the Russian army under new legislation introduced after President Vladimir Putin sent troops to Ukraine on February 24. | | | | | https://www.barrons.com/news/russian...968709?tesla=y
My feeling is that at some point this network of lies will be broken somehow and more people will be able to understand that there is a devastating war in Ukraine and not a peace operation....
Last edited by greenmount; 22.03.2022 at 21:59.
| 
22.03.2022, 22:00
|  | Forum Legend | | Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Basel
Posts: 15,587
Groaned at 304 Times in 204 Posts
Thanked 19,871 Times in 8,375 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
someone i know working at russian bank is being asked to sign a declaration that they support the war in Ukraine. it is implied that failure to do so would be severely career-limiting. they plan to resign instead.
| The following 5 users would like to thank Phil_MCR for this useful post: | | 
22.03.2022, 22:02
| Forum Legend | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kt.Zh
Posts: 12,166
Groaned at 487 Times in 402 Posts
Thanked 19,073 Times in 9,648 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | someone i know working at russian bank is being asked to sign a declaration that they support the war in Ukraine. it is implied that failure to do so would be severely career-limiting. they plan to resign instead. | | | | | There is a lot of fear there, fear to lose one's job, fear to be arrested or worse...one cannot be careful enough. 
Stalinist methods, the mild(-er) ones. Next will be the deportations.
| This user would like to thank greenmount for this useful post: | | 
22.03.2022, 23:09
|  | Forum Veteran | | Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Left bank of Lake Zurich
Posts: 1,444
Groaned at 66 Times in 46 Posts
Thanked 1,577 Times in 797 Posts
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Next will be the deportations. | | | | | Well. Many Russians are looking for a way to leave the country these days.
| The following 2 users would like to thank TinyK for this useful post: | | 
23.03.2022, 06:46
| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Well. Many Russians are looking for a way to leave the country these days. | | | | | Deportation is not the worst case scenario which can happen.
| This user would like to thank for this useful post: | |
Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (1 members and 1 guests) | TinyK | Thread Tools | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
Posting Rules
| You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts HTML code is Off | | | All times are GMT +2. The time now is 00:47. | |