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24.03.2022, 16:18
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | So you are alleging the US and UA might have wanted this war or at the minimum caused it somehow unconsciously. | | | | |
US for sure
" It's so difficult to live when no-one wages war on Russia." (C)
UA - No, they wanted a different war
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24.03.2022, 16:46
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | You claimed it was a vote which turns out to be completely untrue, it was just some survey of doubtful accuracy.
Better to stick to the truth in future when you claim to be "factual ".
Also sheesh  | | | | | dude. learn to read. my post was a response to komsomolez.
i clearly referred to the share of "that vote" referencing komsomolez's post.
the context is clear.
note also: vote doesn't imply formal election covering the entire population. | Quote: | |  | | | Please stop inventing that there was any "for EU/NATO" voting in the Ukraine to suit your mindset. | | | | |
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24.03.2022, 18:39
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Russia probably also didn't look favourably on the ousting of the elected pro-Russian President during the Maidan revolution. The CIA is known for its operations in overthrowing governments to install their own US-friendly ones, so no surprises if the US was active in formenting the demonstrations and installing a pro-US government. | | | | | I wonder if the recent unrests in Belarus and Kazakhstan fall under the same category.
Very odd timing and synchronicity if they developed without western goading.
Nuland is back btw. Apparently fired by Trump, she got hired by Biden pretty quickly.
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24.03.2022, 21:57
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Of course they did. None of this was a surprise. Senator Hawley and former Congresswoman Gabbard publicly begged the Biden administration in early Feb to disavow the 2008 NATO Bucharest declaration and take NATO membership off the table to prevent the war.
Biden's response was to have Psaki call Hawley a Russian traitor. He and his people have been set on this war for a long time. Not surprising considering many are disciples of the unlamented witch Albright, who thought millions of dead Iraqis were "worth it" for her imperialist goals. They undoubtedly think the dead Ukrainians are worth it too. | | | | | Just saw the news that Albright died very recently: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60855139 | 
24.03.2022, 23:04
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I wonder if the recent unrests in Belarus and Kazakhstan fall under the same category.
Very odd timing and synchronicity if they developed without western goading. | | | | | Of, for those who don't subscribe to every conspiracy theory going - it's just people getting fed up with the incumbants.
It does happen.
Also, something being reported on mainstream media isn't necessarily just propaganda. Conspiracy theories - how stupid people get to feel intellectual. - Baddiel.
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25.03.2022, 00:05
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Of, for those who don't subscribe to every conspiracy theory going - it's just people getting fed up with the incumbants.
It does happen.
Also, something being reported on mainstream media isn't necessarily just propaganda. Conspiracy theories - how stupid people get to feel intellectual. - Baddiel. | | | | | Russia claimed external influence, but I don't think any evidence was offered to support this claim.
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25.03.2022, 01:13
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Yesterday Orsk, a Russian warship, was featured as part of a lengthy news report on the pro-Putin international TV network, RT,
entering the captured formerly Ukrainian port of Berdiansk. The ship is a sort of military ferry/amphibious landing ship capable
of carrying up to twenty main battle tanks amongst other stuff.
Today the Ukrainian military blew it up in the port of Berdiansk, the photo below.
How dumb is it for the Russians to display the location of such a major military asset? | 
25.03.2022, 08:20
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Yesterday Orsk, a Russian warship, was featured as part of a lengthy news report on the pro-Putin international TV network, RT,
entering the captured formerly Ukrainian port of Berdiansk. The ship is a sort of military ferry/amphibious landing ship capable
of carrying up to twenty main battle tanks amongst other stuff.
Today the Ukrainian military blew it up in the port of Berdiansk, the photo below.
How dumb is it for the Russians to display the location of such a major military asset?
| | | | | Look, there are probably dozens of US satellites and AWACs watching this in high resolution. I don't think the UA military relies on RT clips to figure out the enemy moves.
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25.03.2022, 09:19
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Yesterday Orsk, a Russian warship, was featured as part of a lengthy news report on the pro-Putin international TV network, RT,
entering the captured formerly Ukrainian port of Berdiansk. The ship is a sort of military ferry/amphibious landing ship capable
of carrying up to twenty main battle tanks amongst other stuff.
Today the Ukrainian military blew it up in the port of Berdiansk, the photo below.
How dumb is it for the Russians to display the location of such a major military asset? Attachment 143618 | | | | | actually they blew up 2 warships: Orsk and Saratov.
both followed by already defined destination
2 others got some injures but escaped
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25.03.2022, 09:48
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
"Russian warship, go f@@k yourself"
Don't worry Ukraine, more democracy is on its way.
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25.03.2022, 10:36
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
What concerns me most right now is China is looking more and more like it is going to side with Russia.
In the same way Putin wants to see Ukraine come under Russia's wing in his lifetime, no doubt Xi want to see Taiwan bend the knee whilst he is in power. Islands in the South China see have been militarised (contrary to promises) and now it is trying to establish a military base in the Solomon Islands (which has Australia scared sheetless).
Globalisation as we know it is ceasing to exist. Europe/North America and AUS/NZ need to start thinking about on shore or near shore manufacturing and supply.
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25.03.2022, 10:55
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Europe/North America and AUS/NZ need to start thinking about on shore or near shore manufacturing and supply. | | | | | Not necessarily.
Another option would be to start thinking in terms of fair play instead of global leadership. Going to be difficult, I know. But probably more realistic.
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25.03.2022, 11:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | What concerns me most right now is China is looking more and more like it is going to side with Russia. | | | | | why they would do this? | 
25.03.2022, 11:11
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | What concerns me most right now is China is looking more and more like it is going to side with Russia.
In the same way Putin wants to see Ukraine come under Russia's wing in his lifetime, no doubt Xi want to see Taiwan bend the knee whilst he is in power. Islands in the South China see have been militarised (contrary to promises) and now it is trying to establish a military base in the Solomon Islands (which has Australia scared sheetless).
Globalisation as we know it is ceasing to exist. Europe/North America and AUS/NZ need to start thinking about on shore or near shore manufacturing and supply. | | | | | Well, the West has helped China to become what it is without any conditions (re.democracy, human rights etc). You reap what you sow. They also fed the troll in Kremlin.
Moving all the production to China, for decades, without any shade of shame, has proved to be catastrophic during this pandemic when we didn't have masks, medical equipment etc.
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25.03.2022, 11:14
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Well, the West has helped China become what it is without any conditions (re.democracy, human rights etc). You reap what you sow. They also fed the troll in Kremlin. | | | | | Why is always everything the fault of the West? China is responsible for what it is. Russia is responsible for what it is.
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25.03.2022, 11:17
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | What concerns me most right now is China is looking more and more like it is going to side with Russia. | | | | | Is "side" an euphemism for conquering?
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25.03.2022, 11:18
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Why is always everything the fault of the West? China is responsible for what it is. Russia is responsible for what it is. | | | | | The enablers are also guilty. Partially.
(high level decision makers, not you and me, let's make it clear  )
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25.03.2022, 11:44
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Personally, I think that Russia made a huge mistake to launch a full scale invasion (maybe they thought they could pull off a lightning decapitation attack). What concerns me is if they are now backed into a corner and see Groznyfication as the next best outcome. | | | | | what is meant by 'Groznyfication'?
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? ‘Putin is just the frontman’: Sergei Loznitsa, the Ukrainian film-maker who refuses to be cancelled | Quote: |  | | | The director of Donbass and In the Fog resigned from the European academy and got booted off his country’s awards body. He explains why we must listen to other voices in Russia and Ukraine as the third world war has already started.
... Does he think, as many fear, that Russia will invade other countries? “First of all,” says Loznitsa, “they have to conquer Ukraine – and the chances are that will be a long and difficult process. I think Russia will disintegrate before it actually manages to digest Ukraine. But if the most pessimistic predictions come true then of course, absolutely, there is no doubt Poland will be next, then Moldova and the Baltic states. After that, it will be Germany, which still doesn’t seem to get the danger of the situation, then France, et cetera.
“There is almost no limit. In 1953, Stalin had a plan to start the third world war and his ambition was to conquer the entirety of Europe. It would be appropriate to start some kind of anthropological research to analyse how this crazy idea about conquering the world gets into the heads of all those rulers in the Kremlin.” ... | | | | | | This user would like to thank Reb77Br for this useful post: | |
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