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Old 25.03.2022, 11:37
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what is meant by 'Groznyfication'?
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Grozny was completed levelled by Russia durich the Chechian conflict. They have used that tactic in Syria (Aleppo) and are doing the same now in the Ukraine.
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Old 25.03.2022, 11:42
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

A few days earlier: the West does nothing. Today: Could the West please stay doing nothing?

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France increases its alert level and deploys three nuclear submarines at sea.

This is undoubtedly the result or quite simply the response to the placing on maximum alert of the Russian nuclear forces, announced by the Kremlin almost the day after the outbreak of its war in Ukraine. France in particular, the only European nuclear power with Great Britain, has also just raised its nuclear alert level: three of the four nuclear ballistic missile submarines (SNLE) available to the French Navy are now at sea.

Of course, no one will confirm or deny this deployment: the National Navy and the Armed Forces in general never communicate, in any way, as to the movements of the special forces like the strategic forces, those on which French deterrence rests.

No wonder: the essence of the strategy of this deterrence is indeed based on discretion. The adversary must be certain that, whatever the moment, France has the means to respond to an attack with a counter-attack, nuclear and devastating, coming from anywhere, the SSBNs having the capacity to blend into the ocean floor for months.
https://www.franceinter.fr/monde/la-...leaires-en-mer
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Old 25.03.2022, 13:22
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A few days earlier: the West does nothing. Today: Could the West please stay doing nothing?
The West did nothing for too long.


https://youtu.be/-S3SNovYFfo (age restricted)
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https://t.me/V_Zelenskiy_official/956

The video contains images that some people might find disturbing, but they have to be prepared to see these scenes on the streets of their towns again after 80 years of peace.
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Old 25.03.2022, 13:25
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Look, there are probably dozens of US satellites and AWACs watching this in high resolution. I don't think the UA military relies on RT clips to figure out the enemy moves.
Never spoil a good story with the truth as the Irish say.

Anyway, Ukraine is now claiming they sunk the Saratov, not the Orsk.
Plus it is looking ever more likely the Russians accidentally blew it up themselves by incorrectly handling the munitions.
There is plenty of video footage from security cameras and such with never a trace of any missile.
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Put it this way, I find very few reasons to disagree with you.
You mean you also don't blame any side for this war?
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

https://twitter.com/avalaina/status/...rYGsfp04N7c4lQ

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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

wait while vushka will explain why all these people should be killed
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Anyway, Ukraine is now claiming they sunk the Saratov, not the Orsk.
Plus it is looking ever more likely the Russians accidentally blew it up themselves by incorrectly handling the munitions.
There is plenty of video footage from security cameras and such with never a trace of any missile.
Ukraine claimed they sunk both
can you please share the footages?
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Old 25.03.2022, 14:12
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Ukraine claimed they sunk both
can you please share the footages?
Missile? Industrial accident? No idea.

The only certain thing here is blown and sunken ship, this is not an special naval operation.



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Old 25.03.2022, 14:21
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You mean you also don't blame any side for this war?
I think you are referring to my reply to Phil's short summary about Russia's "reasons" to invade Ukraine, at least those they offered to the internal and international public so far. The blaming game, as discussed here, was between Russia and USA (). It is obvious and beyond any doubt, at least to me and others, if not all, that Russia is the aggressor here and Russia should be made responsible for all the atrocities, destruction, global consequences, etc.
Nobody forced them to invade Ukraine, they didn't have to defend themselves, they're after power, that's it.
Many political scientists, analysts, say they were planning this for a very long time and just waited for the right moment or pretext and I tend to agree with them. I think I have made it pretty clear so far.
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Old 25.03.2022, 14:27
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Of, for those who don't subscribe to every conspiracy theory going - it's just people getting fed up with the incumbants.

It does happen.

Also, something being reported on mainstream media isn't necessarily just propaganda.

Conspiracy theories - how stupid people get to feel intellectual. - Baddiel.
Some people, especially those who can't think for themselves, try to look smart and gain credibility by quoting smart people.

Well, it doesn't work. Thanks for the laugh though.
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Missile? Industrial accident? No idea.

The only certain thing here is blown and sunken ship, this is not an special naval operation.
at least not russian
ru claims it was Tochka U missile which was interceptedand debrises was cause the damage.
this is total bs
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Old 25.03.2022, 14:42
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Ukraine claimed they sunk both
can you please share the footages?
Ukraine now claiming a large landing ship "Saratov" was destroyed during the attack on the occupied Berdyansk port. Large landing ships "Caesar Kunikov" and "Novocherkassk" were damaged. Other losses of the enemy are being clarified.
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Old 25.03.2022, 14:57
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Claims that Yakov Rezantsev, Russian lieutenant general, and general Jakov Vladimirovich Rezantsev have been killed.
A big risk for the Ukrainians is if they keep killing Russain generals then maybe somebody competent would replace them.

Edit: if the claims of 15,000 dead Russian soldiers are correct then Russia lost more in one month than in eight years in Afghanistan.
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Missile? Industrial accident? No idea.

The only certain thing here is blown and sunken ship, this is not an special naval operation.
Ignited fuel spill? The screenie below is from the 2nd video at :12, the marked area appears to move and enlarge rather quickly, and with the wind.

https://youscreen.de/cgarscnoj77.jpg
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Claims that Yakov Rezantsev, Russian lieutenant general, and general Jakov Vladimirovich Rezantsev have been killed.
A big risk for the Ukrainians is if they keep killing Russain generals then maybe somebody competent would replace them.

Edit: if the claims of 15,000 dead Russian soldiers are correct then Russia lost more in one month than in eight years in Afghanistan.
And Ukraine lost 3,7 million people who had to leave for safety while 10 million people have been displaced within the country....in 4 weeks!!!
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Old 25.03.2022, 15:14
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Ignited fuel spill? The screenie below is from the 2nd video at :12, the marked area appears to move and enlarge rather quickly, and with the wind.

https://youscreen.de/cgarscnoj77.jpg
Shadow from the smoke? The sun is a bit to the left and up in that video.

I just know there's an industrial accident investigator at my job and I'm not that guy
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Old 25.03.2022, 15:16
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Claims that Yakov Rezantsev, Russian lieutenant general, and general Jakov Vladimirovich Rezantsev have been killed.
In combat in Ukraine or in the context of Putin's purge of traitors that have their hearts in Miami?
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Old 25.03.2022, 15:21
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In combat in Ukraine or in the context of Putin's purge of traitors that have their hearts in Miami?
Kakaya purge? Putin has surrounded himself only with "good" oligarchs, I mean with those that he allowed them to be rich in exchange for being his obedient puppets. There's no purge among those. The purge has been done when he got in power.
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Shadow from the smoke? The sun is a bit to the left and up in that video.

I just know there's an industrial accident investigator at my job and I'm not that guy
Hehe, yeah, someone from forensics would be useful

While smoke as the source may be possible, I doubt that. Towards the end, when the smoke has become really thick, you can see its shadow fairly clearly on the water, it's roughly parallel to but not covering the "fuel?" area. Some buildings on land, the yellow barricade/wall thingy and the silos, should also throw their shadow towards the camera. The initial camera angle where the sun is right beyond the left edge seems to counter that suggestion as well.

Guess we'll see, or maybe not, it's a war after all and not that important anyway in the grander scheme of things.
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