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Ukraine, like many other countries, left the Soviet Union in 1991 so the ethnic Russians should have got used to the idea after over 20 years.
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According to the 2001 census they were not the majority in East Ukraine so it was a case of the tail wagging the dog; it is understandable Ukraine did not want to let Donetsk (38% Russian)and Luhansk (39% Russian) leave.
Maybe Putin should invade West Hollywood next, 20% Russian
I suppose I am a victim of the Russian propaganda too.
You know I don't support these separatist movements and that wasn't my point, I was trying to debate the logic of some poster's argument here.
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However, Putin using that one Azov unit that has white supremacist idealogy as an excuse to invade and denazify the whole of Ukraine is obviously propaganda BS.
This.

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Old 30.03.2022, 13:18
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

With all this going on and the scramble of non-alligned countries wanting to join nato, I wonder how the Kremlin will react If Finnland were to apply for membership and Putin remembers that the Finns once belonged to Russia?
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With all this going on and the scramble of non-alligned countries wanting to join nato, I wonder how the Kremlin will react If Finnland were to apply for membership and Putin remembers that the Finns once belonged to Russia?
I wonder how the Mongols will react once they remember that Russia once belonged to them.
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Old 30.03.2022, 13:31
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I wonder how the Mongols will react once they remember that Russia once belonged to them.

It always depends on when you want to stop the clock, isn't it..

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Old 30.03.2022, 13:39
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With all this going on and the scramble of non-alligned countries wanting to join nato, I wonder how the Kremlin will react If Finnland were to apply for membership and Putin remembers that the Finns once belonged to Russia?
short of starting WW3, there's not much he can do about it.
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I guess Russia Today is still accessible in Switzerland.
What's the point in blocking RT if one can hear the same on German media?

Of course if one can hear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZeUaFBNiac
Quick translation from German:
The war is criminal and barbaric, but you need to understand its causes.
Russia has repeatedly warned that Ukraine will be the red line when NATO expands to the east.
Although formally Ukraine has not yet joined NATO, but weapons have already been supplied, joint exercises were held, bases were organized.
Ukraine has no chance of winning militarily, so arms deliveries will only increase the number of casualties
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What's the point in blocking RT if one can hear the same on German media?

Of course if one can hear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZeUaFBNiac
Quick translation from German:
The war is criminal and barbaric, but you need to understand its causes.
Russia has repeatedly warned that Ukraine will be the red line when NATO expands to the east.
Although formally Ukraine has not yet joined NATO, but weapons have already been supplied, joint exercises were held, bases were organized.
Ukraine has no chance of winning militarily, so arms deliveries will only increase the number of casualties
I'm curious about the definition of "winning militarily". Did the German media provide it?
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I'm curious about the definition of "winning militarily". Did the German media provide it?
No, everyone is free to guess. Wondering how wide the range will go.
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Old 30.03.2022, 14:10
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What's the point in blocking RT if one can hear the same on German media?

Of course if one can hear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZeUaFBNiac
Quick translation from German:
The war is criminal and barbaric, but you need to understand its causes.
Russia has repeatedly warned that Ukraine will be the red line when NATO expands to the east.
Although formally Ukraine has not yet joined NATO, but weapons have already been supplied, joint exercises were held, bases were organized.
Ukraine has no chance of winning militarily, so arms deliveries will only increase the number of casualties
The solution to this barbaric war being......what, exactly? I think Russia has a simple solution, retreat their troops from UA, then no more casualties.
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What's the point in blocking RT if one can hear the same on German media?

Of course if one can hear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZeUaFBNiac
Quick translation from German:
The war is criminal and barbaric, but you need to understand its causes.
Russia has repeatedly warned that Ukraine will be the red line when NATO expands to the east.
Although formally Ukraine has not yet joined NATO, but weapons have already been supplied, joint exercises were held, bases were organized.
Ukraine has no chance of winning militarily, so arms deliveries will only increase the number of casualties
Sarah Wagenknecht. The former head of the "Communist Platform" within the Left Party. A known defender of all things Russian. A perfect hypocrite in that she preaches "socialism" but lives in luxury herself. Plays with nationalist ideas here and there to siphon off votes from the ultra-right.

What's next? Dmitry Peskov?
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Old 30.03.2022, 14:19
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Sarah Wagenknecht. The former head of the "Communist Platform" within the Left Party. A known defender of all things Russian. A perfect hypocrite in that she preaches "socialism" but lives in luxury herself. Plays with nationalist ideas here and there to siphon off votes from the ultra-right.

What's next? Dmitry Peskov?
Note also that she argues in favour of a "referendum" in the bullshit republics. Putin's bitch.
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Note also that she argues in favour of a "referendum" in the bullshit republics. Putin's bitch.
The only referendum that could be believable would be with the supervision of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organi...tion_in_Europe
That's something that Russia probably would not agreed to.
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Multi-Kulti is just one of the ways for a nation (Germany in that case) to cleanse itself of sick attitudes (Übermensch, Chosen Nation, all that shit).
Actually, Multi-Kulti is a derogative term for Merkel's failed "All welcome" immigration policy.
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Actually, Multi-Kulti is a derogative term for Merkel's failed "All welcome" immigration policy.
Maybe I used a wrong term, but I meant the approach of Germany to open itself for other nations, so that "Übermensch" idea is not growing in heads anymore. And in that sense - it is a complete success.

If there is a price to pay for that, like problems with integration of some nations, so be it. Redemption is not a cheap endeavour. And for once it is not the innocents who are paying.
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Old 30.03.2022, 15:13
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Maybe I used a wrong term, but I meant the approach of Germany to open itself for other nations, so that "Übermensch" idea is not growing in heads anymore. And in that sense - it is a complete success.

If there is a price to pay for that, like problems with integration of some nations, so be it. Redemption is not a cheap endeavour. And for once it is not the innocents who are paying.
Actually now that Germans have seen the results of „multikulti“ the Concept of Übermensch is rearing it’s ugly head again.
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The only referendum that could be believable would be with the supervision of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organi...tion_in_Europe
That's something that Russia probably would not agreed to.
I don't think it matters anymore. They seem to be interested in all Ukraine not just some separatists pseudo-republics...

Ukraine has changed the law about minorities languages and that was a mistake, but they are willing to fix this.

I think Putin has to invent more and more new reasons for continuing this barbaric war. Ukraine wants to be a democratic and modern country, wants to belong in the EU and that is terribly threatening for him because more and more people in Russia too would like to have a choice when they vote, would like to freely express themselves and generally would like to have what they lack today. Liberal democracies are a mortal danger for autocracies, especially those in close proximity.
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Actually now that Germans have seen the results of „multikulti“ the Concept of Übermensch is rearing it’s ugly head again.
Is that so? I rather had the impression that the far-right is struggling to get above its 10% range in the polls. Especially now that so much Russian "content" has disappeared from the web.
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Is that so? I rather had the impression that the far-right is struggling to get above its 10% range in the polls. Especially now that so much Russian "content" has disappeared from the web.
This isn‘t far right, this is the groundswell of a growing number. A lot of conservative CDU members are expressing doubt that multikulti was a good thing, and a lot of SPD voters are now accepting that multikulti as a concept has failed.
Google multikulti gescheitert for oodles of sources.
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Maybe I used a wrong term, but I meant the approach of Germany to open itself for other nations, so that "Übermensch" idea is not growing in heads anymore. And in that sense - it is a complete success.

If there is a price to pay for that, like problems with integration of some nations, so be it. Redemption is not a cheap endeavour. And for once it is not the innocents who are paying.
You're essentially arguing for guilt by association, that makes no sense. Nobody's responsible for another's crimes, nor are today's Germans responsible for their ancestors'. Of course the innocent pay as it's today's generations who foot the bill.

Also see slammer above.

But that's for another thread.
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This isn‘t far right, this is the groundswell of a growing number. A lot of conservative CDU members are expressing doubt that multikulti was a good thing, and a lot of SPD voters are now accepting that multikulti as a concept has failed.
Google multikulti gescheitert for oodles of sources.
Not being a fan of Multi-Kulti is not quite the same as dividing people in Über- and Untermenschen. Maybe I misunderstood you.
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