its not excessive, it is simply unwarranted. people should not be banned for stating facts, however uncomfortable.

i agree, and when putin joins EF and states that then they can ban him, as i never said that.

once again, if the mods are only interested in hearing one-sided posts and will ban people for opposing opinions then they should really clarify that.

Maybe you didn't notice but the whole civilized world took a certain side in this conflict. And most of the diplomats from the UN Human Rights Council left the room when Lavrov started speaking, because they knew that he would be saying the same bullsh*t once again. What is there left to hear about "8 years of bombing of L/DNR"? Every person who has Internet access can compare photos from Donetsk and Luhansk, which were bombed for 8 years, with photos from Maryupil, Kharkiv or Irpin.

i dont see how one can spread this ru propaganda bs with poker face

Or maybe he has a crush on Maria Zakharova.

get some rubbles and go buy some dollars

you spreading lie here

or drinks same moonshine

Yet again, it is proven that the Russians lie. Putin should stop behaving like a child, spanked and sent to bed without his supper.

at least he can check out who exactly bombing civilians there

so when human rights watch reported that ukranians were shelling citizens in donetsk what was that? fake news or russian propaganda?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/24/...ling-civilians

And now they take revenge?

Is this what we're seeing now?

If you think you can rectify one evil with another one....

No, now Donetsk is preventing the ground operation that Ukraine was preparing.


At least you agree now that Ukrainian regime is an evil

Which operation? Invade Russia?

i don't know. you will have to ask putin that. i was just refuting this idea that ukranians are above committing war crimes against citizens.

In the long term, quite possibly.
But the short-term threat of invading Donetsk alone was sufficient.

No, I didn't even imply that. Someone here was talking about war crimes in Donetsk. Some years ago. Try harder.

Are you freaking serious?

Wow.

Donetsk is still part of UA. Only Putin "recognised" this so-called republic.

Absolutely. Ukraine was pummeled by arms and Nazi ideology in order to create a threat to Russia.


Does that justify killing civilians for 8 years?

And... no one is. So that's nice, isn't it.

We won't, because we're not. So that's nice, isn't it.

Anyone here thinking that the Ukrainians won't commit a few war crimes themselves?

Anyone?

Thought not.



It seems this idea is only held inside the heads of those who with to refute it.

I'm not sure that's the case, so I asked the two Russian speaking women staying with us, who are actually from Donetsk.

They said you're talking rubbish and simply repeating Kremlin lies.

komsomolez, I don't think this is the case. I think this is pointing out that there is plenty of blame to go around. [Phil, correct me if I am wrong]