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30.03.2022, 21:42
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Absolutely. Ukraine was pummeled by arms and Nazi ideology in order to create a threat to Russia.
Does that justify killing civilians for 8 years? | | | | | you spreading lies on the forum again and again
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30.03.2022, 21:48
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | quote sources to the extent possible. Even if it's Telegram channels or other social media. | | | | | Fair enough. But what's the point in posting the original media, most of which is from "Kremlin's propaganda" (in Russian of course, with no subtitles) who is the only one reports straight from the shooting line, the rest of reporters being involved in various kinds of staging?
How many here can distinguish between the original "significantly reduce the military activity around Kiev", first translated to "cut back" and then to "step back"? What "sources" should we quote?
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30.03.2022, 21:48
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Let's see, the "mainstream narrative" is like that: Russia invaded Ukraine under false pretexts and is now erasing cities, killing civilians and sending millions of people abroad, in many cases just with some plastic bags in which they keep a few things they managed to save in the last moment.
What's the alternative view or uhem, the other side of the story of this? I tell you what it is: lies, lies and more lies coming from Russia's side. | | | | | Dear greenmount, please see my above posts - I condemn the war. Unfortunately, the outcoming "Western" narrative (here I am talking about media outlets only) is that of the Russian "Other" or Us against Them. Again.
There was a widely circulated pic from a London metro saying: a good Russian is a dead Russian.
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30.03.2022, 21:51
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Fair enough. But what's the point in posting the original media, most of which is from "Kremlin's propaganda" who is the only one reports straight from the shooting line, the rest of reporters being involved in various kinds of staging? | | | | | Wow. Such disconnect with reality.
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30.03.2022, 21:52
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Russian mushroom sauce doesn't count. | | | | | I actually meant both meduza and rbc | 
30.03.2022, 21:52
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The outcoming "Western" narrative (here I am talking about media outlets only) is that of the Russian "Other" or Us against Them. Again. | | | | | The only people who claim this are people propagating Kremlin propaganda.
There is no such narrative.
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30.03.2022, 21:56
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
"The Levada Center (an independent polling site in Russia now deemed a "foreign agent") released a new poll showing increased approval for Putin since the war began: from 69% in January to 83% in March." https://twitter.com/biannagolodryga/...45239134928900 | 
30.03.2022, 22:03
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Fair enough. But what's the point in posting the original media, most of which is from "Kremlin's propaganda" (in Russian of course, with no subtitles) who is the only one reports straight from the shooting line, the rest of reporters being involved in various kinds of staging?
How many here can distinguish between the original "significantly reduce the military activity around Kiev", first translated to "cut back" and then to "step back"? What "sources" should we quote? | | | | | I get the point... I can translate though  but this is what I do for a living and it takes a huge amount of time and mental energy to dig through the open sources and sort through selective use of information and reverse psychology... hence going through the last 13 pages of the thread this evening... with huge respect for bellingcat (enormous amounts of useful information, methods, "how to" items), I have developed a slightly different approach.. not that I don't use the bellingcat's manuals
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30.03.2022, 22:04
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Putins spokesman Dmitry Peskov on Ukraine and the West: Dont push us into the corner https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/pu...nto-the-corner
PBS interview with Peskov from two days ago. Of course, he walked back his tough talk on the gas payments earlier today.
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30.03.2022, 22:07
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | you spreading lies on the forum again and again | | | | |
there is a distinct tendency that the accusation of lies and propaganda will soon remain the only intelligible argument.
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30.03.2022, 22:10
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | waiting till famous 146%
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30.03.2022, 22:11
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | there is a distinct tendency that the accusation of lies and propaganda will soon remain the only intelligible argument. | | | | | arguments are useless against propaganda brainwashing, so i prefer do not waste time
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30.03.2022, 22:13
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I guess Russia Today is still accessible in Switzerland. | | | | | I have a (reasonably) expensive swisscom package and, interestingly enough, RT is banned. But not the two Russian channels, where I go to for my daily dose of propaganda and headache. | 
30.03.2022, 22:18
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | waiting till famous 146% | | | | | This polling institute is apparently quite respected. I think the approval numbers are a mix of a rally around the flag, state propaganda (seeing another war on TV then we see), and fear. What is striking is the number of people who see the country moving in the right direction.
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30.03.2022, 22:21
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Dear greenmount, please see my above posts - I condemn the war. Unfortunately, the outcoming "Western" narrative (here I am talking about media outlets only) is that of the Russian "Other" or Us against Them. Again.
There was a widely circulated pic from a London metro saying: a good Russian is a dead Russian. | | | | | Source?
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30.03.2022, 22:26
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The only people who claim this are people propagating Kremlin propaganda.
There is no such narrative. | | | | | The fact that you did not quote my post in its entirety speaks volumes | 
30.03.2022, 22:36
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Source? | | | | | Surprise surprise - RT https://www.rt.com/news/552477-dead-russian-posters-uk/
take a look at the comments as well
And I would like to put the issue that I am somehow... pro-Putin... to bed.
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30.03.2022, 22:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Dear greenmount, please see my above posts - I condemn the war. Unfortunately, the outcoming "Western" narrative (here I am talking about media outlets only) is that of the Russian "Other" or Us against Them. Again.
There was a widely circulated pic from a London metro saying: a good Russian is a dead Russian. | | | | | On the contrary, my impression is that most people feel sorry for the ordinary Russians and can make the difference between them and Putin or Putin's regime (and yes this regime keeps lying). Even for those who sincerely believe in Kremlin's propaganda because there's no other information source.
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30.03.2022, 22:56
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | On the contrary, my impression is that most people feel sorry for the ordinary Russians and can make the difference between them and Putin or Putin's regime (and yes this regime keeps lying). Even for those who sincerely believe in Kremlin's propaganda because there's no other information source. | | | | | I don't know about that. Ordinary Russians bear responsibility as well. Every Russian soldier in Ukraine bears responsibility for their actions. Obviously not the same as Putin and the other crooks - but they are part of it. Or do also you believe that "ordinary Germans" had no idea what was going on during the late Nazi years? They knew and let it happen, at the very least.
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30.03.2022, 23:30
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Ukraine war: Russian troops have accidentally shot down own aircraft and refused to carry out orders, UK spy chief to reveal https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...eveal-12578490
Let's see if this is confirmed. I smell "Hero of the Russian Federation" material.
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