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31.03.2022, 09:51
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Let’s not forget that 70 years ago just about every other European national hated the Germans, with a passion. | | | | | I like to believe we're way wiser than 70 years ago. | 
31.03.2022, 09:59
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I like to believe we're way wiser than 70 years ago.  | | | | | Yeh! The hate is not so passionate anymore.
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31.03.2022, 10:03
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Yeh! The hate is not so passionate anymore. | | | | | I would go for people being different and much more diverse than we give them credit for and EF not being representative for all those existing outside our little internet bubble.
But if one (you) feels hate, I guess everyone is entitled to their own feelings, what can I say. Haven't we been preached here for so long that we have to be tolerant with every opinion and every statement because...free speech? I'm taking the piss now but really feel the need to remind others that all this shite can easily turn against those who had preached it for so long.
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31.03.2022, 10:18
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Vladest, it is hard to take in everything that happens now in Ukraine for everyone, I can't even imagine what's going on with you, guys.
But please, please, try to cool down, take a deep breath before writing stuff, it is for your own good. This too shall pass. I myself felt many times, since the war has begun, like suffocating with anger at this regime and Putin and the way the lives of millions of people have been destroyed just because of the ambitions and ego of one man or of one clique.
Let's not say hard things, not everyone in Russia agrees with him and not everyone even knows what really happens in Ukraine. People are afraid to protest, are constantly manipulated and denied the truth, try to understand more before forming strong opinions. | | | | | i formed my opinion long before 2014. with cold blood and mind
for westers, probably the only option to learn same lesson is to experience same things that Ukraine experienced for centuries
russians still have access to alternative point of views. they just dont care
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31.03.2022, 10:48
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Let’s not forget that 70 years ago just about every other European national hated the Germans, with a passion. | | | | | Germans were denazified and had the Marschall plan, they started from scratch with brand new tools and equipment to become the Wirtschaftwunder powerhouse of Europe and they were built up as a buffer to the Warsaw Pact.
You can’t compare the situation then with Russia today, or a post war Russia tomorrow.
I can however imagine a Marschall plan for Ukraine enabling the country to be the next Wirtschaftswunder.
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31.03.2022, 10:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I like to believe we're way wiser than 70 years ago.  | | | | | Sadly recent events show this is not the case.
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31.03.2022, 10:59
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
you think the war is far-far away? https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/u...apenbestyckade
they are cooooming. enjoy
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31.03.2022, 12:00
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | you think the war is far-far away? | | | | | No. | Quote: | |  | | | Sadly recent events show this is not the case. | | | | | Well....you're right. Sadly.
Sometimes you lose hope for humanity.
In general, I have noticed that people believe what others feel or have felt only when they are confronted with the same things and wonder why there aren't stronger reactions....till then, well, things happen to these other people. | Quote: | |  | | | i formed my opinion long before 2014. with cold blood and mind
for westers, probably the only option to learn same lesson is to experience same things that Ukraine experienced for centuries
russians still have access to alternative point of views. they just dont care | | | | |
vladest, I don't agree with your last statement, that they don't care. Fear is a very powerful thing. Same as propaganda.
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31.03.2022, 12:47
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | vladest, I don't agree with your last statement, that they don't care. Fear is a very powerful thing. Same as propaganda. | | | | | about fear | This user would like to thank vladest for this useful post: | | 
31.03.2022, 12:55
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Russia has a population of more than 140 million.
To say that they are all bad and just dont care is beyond ridiculous.
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31.03.2022, 13:01
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Russia has a population of more than 140 million.
To say that they are all bad and just dont care is beyond ridiculous. | | | | | not all. my fault. 83% and growing ie most of them. better now?
the rest just dont care
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31.03.2022, 13:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | not all. my fault. 83% and growing ie most of them. better now?
the rest just dont care | | | | | No.
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31.03.2022, 13:12
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | No. | | | | | okey
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31.03.2022, 13:12
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | not all. my fault. 83% and growing ie most of them. better now?
the rest just dont care | | | | | Everything OK? Don't leave the room where you are before calming down.
Otherwise, it's the war in Ukraine plus the problems you get into this afternoon, when the issue was the war in Ukraine.
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31.03.2022, 13:15
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Everything OK? Don't leave the room where you are before calming down.
Otherwise, it's the war in Ukraine plus the problems you get into this afternoon, when the issue was the war in Ukraine. | | | | | its good that besides personal insults you have nothing to argue
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31.03.2022, 13:30
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Oh, sorry. I didn't realise I had to address every sentence. No problem.
Jolly good.
See above.
So? There's nasty people living in the UK? Tell us something we don't know. Here's a story about some Russian tossers - also featuring a pig.
There is no narrative of Russians Bad, West and Ukraine Good. But Russia invaded a sovereign democratic nation and started killing people and maybe I'm just a Russiaphobe, but I do think that, and causing 4 million people to become refugees, is is a very very bad thing to do. | | | | | First, I'd appreciate it if you toned down the aggression.
Second, in the Russian TV, all of this is being portrayed as Russian soldiers freeing people from Ukranian Nazis, delivering aid and so forth and so on. Lots of history about Russian empire and how the Ukranians are part of it.
Third, who is the 'we' in this "Tell us something we don't know" sentence?
Fourth and final, you do understand that Russia is an autocracy, don't you? People are afraid. People have families.
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31.03.2022, 13:41
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | On the contrary, my impression is that most people feel sorry for the ordinary Russians and can make the difference between them and Putin or Putin's regime (and yes this regime keeps lying). Even for those who sincerely believe in Kremlin's propaganda because there's no other information source. | | | | | What I wrote above about fear... All independent media sources have been designated as "foreign agents" legally (! i.e. there is a legislative basis for this) - they had / have to identify themselves as such in each and every publication.
Some people left the country. And now, according to the most recent legislation, one can be imprisoned for up to 15 years for spreading fake news, first and foremost about the activities of the Russian army. | This user would like to thank Aleydis for this useful post: | | 
31.03.2022, 13:48
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | you said that before the war and continue to do this after all that happened, seeing increasing support of the invasion 
anyway, am going to insist on my statement. infinite small value of russians against the war doesnt change the fact that the was is fueled by russian's always hates ukrainians | | | | | I give up here. Your posts are increasingly devoid of any sort of logic.
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31.03.2022, 14:07
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I can however imagine a Marschall plan for Ukraine enabling the country to be the next Wirtschaftswunder. | | | | | Not before Russia is denazified and demilitarised. Who would want to invest money in the country with a crazy and violent neighbour that can destroy your business with a missile any time?
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31.03.2022, 14:22
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Not before Russia is denazified and demilitarised. Who would want to invest money in the country with a crazy and violent neighbour that can destroy your business with a missile any time? | | | | | and denukified
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