I like to believe we're way wiser than 70 years ago.

Yeh! The hate is not so passionate anymore.

I would go for people being different and much more diverse than we give them credit for and EF not being representative for all those existing outside our little internet bubble.

But if one (you) feels hate, I guess everyone is entitled to their own feelings, what can I say. Haven't we been preached here for so long that we have to be tolerant with every opinion and every statement because...free speech? I'm taking the piss now but really feel the need to remind others that all this shite can easily turn against those who had preached it for so long.

i formed my opinion long before 2014. with cold blood and mind
for westers, probably the only option to learn same lesson is to experience same things that Ukraine experienced for centuries

russians still have access to alternative point of views. they just dont care

Germans were denazified and had the Marschall plan, they started from scratch with brand new tools and equipment to become the Wirtschaftwunder powerhouse of Europe and they were built up as a buffer to the Warsaw Pact.
You can’t compare the situation then with Russia today, or a post war Russia tomorrow.
I can however imagine a Marschall plan for Ukraine enabling the country to be the next Wirtschaftswunder.

Sadly recent events show this is not the case.

you think the war is far-far away?
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/u...apenbestyckade

they are cooooming. enjoy


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No.

Well....you're right. Sadly.
Sometimes you lose hope for humanity.
In general, I have noticed that people believe what others feel or have felt only when they are confronted with the same things and wonder why there aren't stronger reactions....till then, well, things happen to these other people.


vladest, I don't agree with your last statement, that they don't care. Fear is a very powerful thing. Same as propaganda.

about fear

Russia has a population of more than 140 million.
To say that they are all bad and just don’t care is beyond ridiculous.

not all. my fault. 83% and growing ie most of them. better now?
the rest just dont care

No.

okey

Everything OK? Don't leave the room where you are before calming down.

Otherwise, it's the war in Ukraine plus the problems you get into this afternoon, when the issue was the war in Ukraine.

its good that besides personal insults you have nothing to argue

First, I'd appreciate it if you toned down the aggression.

Second, in the Russian TV, all of this is being portrayed as Russian soldiers freeing people from Ukranian Nazis, delivering aid and so forth and so on. Lots of history about Russian empire and how the Ukranians are part of it.

Third, who is the 'we' in this "Tell us something we don't know" sentence?

Fourth and final, you do understand that Russia is an autocracy, don't you? People are afraid. People have families.

What I wrote above about fear... All independent media sources have been designated as "foreign agents" legally (! i.e. there is a legislative basis for this) - they had / have to identify themselves as such in each and every publication.
Some people left the country. And now, according to the most recent legislation, one can be imprisoned for up to 15 years for spreading fake news, first and foremost about the activities of the Russian army.

I give up here. Your posts are increasingly devoid of any sort of logic.

Not before Russia is denazified and demilitarised. Who would want to invest money in the country with a crazy and violent neighbour that can destroy your business with a missile any time?

and denukified