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Nationalism in a greater degree is one step away from Fascism. Italy, for example has had problems with a 'proper' democracy for ages.
Short-term coalition governments and instability are crying out for someone to step in and rule the country properly.
There are political parties in gaining momentum in Italy which could only push it further right.
The population can't seem to see this. May be they don't care.

Maybe apathy isn't the right word. May be it's 'tendency.'
Actually you just have to look at countries with a history of fascism to realize that it´s not far under the surface and given half a chance these countries would revert to that form of government.
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According to the Ukraine 2001 census, only 38% of the Donbas population are ethnic Russian. I reserve my sympathy for the 62% who got dragged into a "Russian copy republic" and into an ongoing war since 2014 without any choice.
Why do you assume that all "ethnic Russians" dream to live in Russia?
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Old 31.03.2022, 20:47
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Actually you just have to look at countries with a history of fascism to realize that it´s not far under the surface and given half a chance these countries would revert to that form of government.
...and given half the chance they hang the body of the ex-dictator full of bullet holes in a random gas station.
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Old 31.03.2022, 21:03
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Why do you assume that all "ethnic Russians" dream to live in Russia?
Good point
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here's another good one if you're interested. its from 2015 but the way it describes western media it could be written today.

https://www.thenation.com/article/ar...able-citizens/

It is a remarkable aspect of the current conflict that the people who have suffered that most as a result of the Ukrainian civil war, the eastern Ukrainians, have received little sympathy from Western media that are usually only too eager to cover the hardships brought about by war. The reason is neither hard to divine, nor is it lost on people we spoke to in Donbas. It is hard to escape the conclusion that the Russian-speaking population of the Donbas is being subjected to a conscious campaign of dehumanization that is being waged primarily by private armies funded by Ukrainian oligarchs. Because the people of the Donbas are ethnic Russian speakers, their suffering is discounted.
Vushka, I have to inform myself better, I don't know too many things about this Donbas conflict (other than most people know from the press)
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Old 31.03.2022, 21:24
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Why do you assume that all "ethnic Russians" dream to live in Russia?
The Russian speaking Ukrainian refugees staying with me certainly do not. Funny thing - apparently many of the Ukrainian refugees in Basel are ethnically Russian, so why should they flee?
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The Russian speaking Ukrainian refugees staying with me certainly do not. Funny thing - apparently many of the Ukrainian refugees in Basel are ethnically Russian, so why should they flee?
War is a terrible thing and affects everyone indiscriminately. I think it is much easier for a refugee or asylum seeker to start a new life in Basel than in Russia..
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...and given half the chance they hang the body of the ex-dictator full of bullet holes in a random gas station.
Yup, and as soon as the people have cooled down a few years where they see the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer and the weakest in society finding themselves worse off under a post dictatorship democracy the call goes out for a strong leader.
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The vast majority of people in any country just want to live their lives in peace without being bothered by the government. They will not rise.

Furthermore, those who will rise against their government have a fundamental problem. The tyrant has the monopoly on violence. Which is why the tyrant keeps the army well paid and fed. Or terrorised in the lower ranks.
number of passionaries usually from 10 to 15% for every country
in russia it seems its close to 0
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The Russian speaking Ukrainian refugees staying with me certainly do not. Funny thing - apparently many of the Ukrainian refugees in Basel are ethnically Russian, so why should they flee?
are they ethnically russian or russian speaking?
where they came from?
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War is a terrible thing and affects everyone indiscriminately. I think it is much easier for a refugee or asylum seeker to start a new life in Basel than in Russia..
and then russia will come to Basel to protect their citizens
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

good reading regarding ru internals
https://faridaily.substack.com/p/now...-all-whats?s=r
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Old 31.03.2022, 22:41
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you think the war is far-far away?
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/u...apenbestyckade

they are cooooming. enjoy
Fake news.

Can the mods please remove it.
Or maybe better yet, add a remark and perhaps a reference to this post as some may encounter it elsewhere. And edit/adjust this one accordingly.

The article linked at the bottom of the above article with Uppgifterna har ifrågasatts, bland annat av experter vid FOI is translated by deepl as follows:

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[legend of the top picture]Two Russian SU 27 and two Russian SU 24 violated Swedish airspace east of Gotland. The Incident Response Team documented the incident by photograph.

News of Russian nuclear planes questioned
Updated today 16:43Published today 15:46

Several defence experts doubt the reports that two Russian aircraft that violated Swedish airspace were armed with nuclear weapons.

- My assessment of the pictures is that the planes look completely unarmed, says Andreas Hörnedal, an expert at FOI.

Several media, including SVT Nyheter, reported on Wednesday that two of the four Russian aircraft that violated Swedish airspace in early March were armed with nuclear weapons. The information originally came from TV4 Nyheterna, which referred to "sources".

The information has already been toned down by the defence's air force chief.

- Had we seen an elevated threat to Sweden linked to this incident or other events, we would have informed about it, Air Force Chief Carl-Johan Edström told TT.


"Speaking against"
Andreas Hörnedal is a research manager and expert on airborne weapons at the Total Defence Research Institute (FOI).

- The news itself has a very unclear source. My assessment of the pictures that the Swedish Armed Forces published, which in themselves were quite low-resolution, was that the planes looked completely unarmed, and that applies to all the planes, he says.

Defence debater Johan Wiktorin also questions the information.

- The way they flew and manoeuvred speaks against the kind of behaviour they should have with such cargo, he says.


A sting operation?
Early on it was claimed that the two attack planes were armed with Kh-32 nuclear missiles. But it is a missile that is very large, weighs about 5.5 tonnes and is carried on another aircraft (a TU 22M3 strategic bomber), according to Andreas Hörnedal.

During the Armed Forces' weekly press briefing, Daniel Olsson, deputy head of the Military Intelligence and Security Service (Must), was asked about TV4 News' information.

Daniel Olsson said that Must does not comment on the arming of other countries because it could reveal Sweden's ability to investigate foreign planes.

- We do not go into arming. But what I can say is that the violation in no way changes the threat picture against Sweden. We see no increased threat. Generally speaking, it is important to be aware that information about nuclear weapons can be used as psychological influence. It is a way of making a point and of intimidating people when information about nuclear weapons is provided. It is very important to be aware of this and to be very critical of sources," said Daniel Olsson.

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War is a terrible thing and affects everyone indiscriminately. I think it is much easier for a refugee or asylum seeker to start a new life in Basel than in Russia..
I agree
The munitions falling on civilian areas are not smart enough to recognise ethnic Russians and not explode which is a powerful incentive to leave.

A Russia that is being heavily hit with economic sanctions is not the best place to start a new life.
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and then russia will come to Basel to protect their citizens
Not a bad point. Heard today in some podcast that apparently there is a piece of legislation in the Duma that wants to somehow declare all Ukrainians and Belorussians to be Russians ...
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it seems that youtube embedding doesnt works properly here (as well as posts counting)...anyway, here is a link I want to share about fear and fearless:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwbGAuS_KwM
That only worked because the soldiers had their act together.

If the soldiers were the animals you try to portray them as they would have run the Ukrainians over. You're disproving your very position with this.
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The Russian speaking Ukrainian refugees staying with me certainly do not. Funny thing - apparently many of the Ukrainian refugees in Basel are ethnically Russian, so why should they flee?
By the way, many Russians also don't want to live in Russia. Over 700 000 left the country only since the beginning of the year. They flee to any country they still can legally enter. To Georgia, Armenia, Serbia, Turkey etc. I've heard that there are almost no free apartments left in the capital of Armenia.
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By the way, many Russians also don't want to live in Russia. Over 700 000 left the country only since the beginning of the year. They flee to any country they still can legally enter. To Georgia, Armenia, Serbia, Turkey etc. I've heard that there are almost no free apartments left in the capital of Armenia.
Just come back from Alanya in Turkey, there are more Russians than Turks, in fact signs are in Turkish and Cyrillic.
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By the way, many Russians also don't want to live in Russia. Over 700 000 left the country only since the beginning of the year. They flee to any country they still can legally enter. To Georgia, Armenia, Serbia, Turkey etc. I've heard that there are almost no free apartments left in the capital of Armenia.
I know. One of my friends is in Georgia.
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and then russia will come to Basel to protect their citizens
Only the good ones, man, only the "good" ones.
"Traitors" aren't Russians anymore.

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