World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? - Page 275

NotAllThere · #**5481** 06.04.2022, 12:34

	Quote:	arz
	You'll immediately see how these videos differ from the staged ones

You said you hadn't reached any conclusions just had doubts. But now you offer "proof" that they're staged. In the form a video of man who could be anyone being wrapped in clingflim around a lampost, by people who could be anyone. (I've removed it as it is manifestly of extremely doubtful provenance).

In other news, footage emerges from Belorus of soldiers posting the goods they looted back to their family.

	Quote:
	Stealing is becoming an “increasingly massive” activity from the invading forces, according to Ukrainian officials. “This is evidenced by virtually all of the occupiers’ conversations intercepted by the SBU.” In other conversations published by the agency, Russians discuss stealing local alcohol. “Have you ever drunk absinthe?” a soldier asks his girlfriend, adding: “We robbed a store yesterday: we got beer and all sorts of shit. We’ll drink beer. The beer here is just really great!” One Russian soldier in Irpin was thought to have been killed after replacing a plate in his body armour with a stolen MacBook. “The SBU has ample evidence that looting among the occupiers has reached such proportions that it will soon be their only purpose in Ukraine,” the security service claimed. “The invaders are openly bragging to their relatives about their ‘achievements’”.

arz · #**5482** 06.04.2022, 12:52

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	You said you hadn't reached any conclusions just had doubts. But now you offer "proof" that they're staged.

No, I suggested to compare which ones look more realistic.

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	In the form a video of man who could be anyone being wrapped in clingflim around a lampost, by people who could be anyone.

No, it's quite easy to understand who is who if one watches more than three videos in a row.

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	(I've removed it as it is manifestly of extremely doubtful provenance).

I honestly appreciate your removing them. Probably some arguments should not be widely disclosed. No sarcasm here.

p42 · #**5483** 06.04.2022, 13:04

Another war. Real people are dying. Again.

https://youtu.be/3kfmlB5LiFc

NotAllThere · #**5484** 06.04.2022, 13:06

	Quote:	p42
	Another war. Real people are dying. Again. https://youtu.be/3kfmlB5LiFc

The Band Played Waltzing Matilda, the Dubliners.

TinyK · #**5485** 06.04.2022, 13:15

	Quote:	arz
	Not so many remember that they've been suffering before too.

Only in the minds of Russian propagandists.

Excad · #**5486** 06.04.2022, 13:18

	Quote:	arz
	Whether noncence or not, pro-Ukrainian forces wear blue bandages

Forces, not civilians.

Excad · #**5487** 06.04.2022, 13:23

https://youtu.be/hJHgxH7VSp4
So again, in Russia no one gives a flying fu** if soldiers are committing war crimes. Actually it's seen as positive, because it's intimidating.

Frightening army of barbarians, it's disgusting.

But keep saying that "the West" is evil, hypocrisy at its best.

TinyK · #**5488** 06.04.2022, 13:34

Russian troops started to use mobile crematories in Mariupil. Most probably they will be burning the bodies of Ukrainian civilians to hide their crimes.

Phil_MCR · #**5489** 06.04.2022, 13:46

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	You said you hadn't reached any conclusions just had doubts. But now you offer "proof" that they're staged. In the form a video of man who could be anyone being wrapped in clingflim around a lampost, by people who could be anyone. (I've removed it as it is manifestly of extremely doubtful provenance). In other news, footage emerges from Belorus of soldiers posting the goods they looted back to their family.

they should start poisoning the alcohol. would be a surprise for looters.

bowlie · #**5490** 06.04.2022, 14:11

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	they should start poisoning the alcohol. would be a surprise for looters.

That’s quite a step up from what they normally drink.

Aneedabath · #**5491** 06.04.2022, 14:22

I have one serious question. The countries giving weapons to Ukraine, are they giving them for free or is Ukraine paying for them?

marton · #**5492** 06.04.2022, 14:24

	Quote:	Aneedabath
	I have one serious question. The countries giving weapons to Ukraine, are they giving them for free or is Ukraine paying for them?

Both cases occur.

bowlie · #**5493** 06.04.2022, 14:30

	Quote:	Aneedabath
	I have one serious question. The countries giving weapons to Ukraine, are they giving them for free or is Ukraine paying for them?

Many of the weapons being given to the Ukrainians are coming from existing military stocks. As these need to be replenished it keeps the arms manufacturers wealthy which allows them to increase their campaign contributions (aka bribes), which keep the right wing parties in power, which buy even more weapons.

rainer_d · #**5494** 06.04.2022, 14:41

	Quote:	TinyK
	Russian troops started to use mobile crematories in Mariupil. Most probably they will be burning the bodies of Ukrainian civilians to hide their crimes.

Their use was reported right from the beginning of the war. Though back then the explanation for their purpose was to hide the body-count on the Russian side.

Maybe both, maybe not.

rainer_d · #**5495** 06.04.2022, 14:43

	Quote:	bowlie
	Many of the weapons being given to the Ukrainians are coming from existing military stocks. As these need to be replenished it keeps the arms manufacturers wealthy which allows them to increase their campaign contributions (aka bribes), which keep the right wing parties in power, which buy even more weapons.

The biggest problem I have with all of this is the fact that a lot of these weapons are going to be used in various crimes all over Europe in the coming years.

We had a huge problem with weapons from the war(s) in former Yugoslavia - for 20-odd years.

This time, it will be much worse.

NotAllThere · #**5496** 06.04.2022, 14:57

	Quote:	Phil_MCR
	they should start poisoning the alcohol. would be a surprise for looters.

There was a story about soliders being given poisoned pies.

Axa · #**5497** 06.04.2022, 15:20

40+ days and Russia has not won the war.

What could happen in the war and sanctions continue for a long time? A Moscow Spring where the young push for a change? Naaaaaa, not really.

It could also be that Putin consolidates power, a few heads are chopped, Russia becomes dependent on China and revives as North Korea in Poland's border fighting for China's interest. I want to believe the Chinese like more business than war, hopefully.

But Russia could also go the way of Iran, where radicals made a generation of educated people flee, created a fanatic regime, and no matter the meat bag in power it's always a Putin v1, Putin v2 and Russia will become more war-loving than now.

Whatever happens, I fail to see how Russia is stronger after this war ends. If any, it's like one of those old colonial empires after WW1 or WW2.

Phil_MCR · #**5498** 06.04.2022, 15:37

	Quote:	rainer_d
	The biggest problem I have with all of this is the fact that a lot of these weapons are going to be used in various crimes all over Europe in the coming years. We had a huge problem with weapons from the war(s) in former Yugoslavia - for 20-odd years. This time, it will be much worse.

pretty concerning might be what happens to all the stingers. there's no way to account for all of these. as ukraine is also a very corrupt country, it would not surprise me if some end up being sold illegally. this could create risks for commercial flights in the future.

Aleydis · #**5499** 06.04.2022, 15:43

	Quote:	marton
	About "On the corpses are white bandages, the meaning of which is "I am on your side" for the Russian army"; what is your source for this claim? Do you believe wounded people who are not on the side of the Russian Army get different colour bandages? Which colours are available and what are their meanings? Such nonsense

I am by no means an expert in matters of military operations, but, to the best of my knowledge, white means peace, i.e. non-combatant.

NotAllThere · #**5500** 06.04.2022, 16:29

	Quote:	vushka
	i think we got it already. you're hosting ukrainian refugees and you're a great person.

Nice of you to say so. I'm not sure that the former is connected to the latter. I've met me in person.