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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I am by no means an expert in matters of military operations, but, to the best of my knowledge, white means peace, i.e. non-combatant. | | | | | It's good when people admit their knowledge limits. I wonder how expert some of us are in spotting faked/staged videos. | The following 2 users would like to thank NotAllThere for this useful post: | | 
06.04.2022, 17:09
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Nice of you to say so. I'm not sure that the former is connected to the latter. I've met me in person.  | | | | | reminded me a bit of this video https://mobile.twitter.com/SimonBrod...C5nbHqg-opAAAA | 
06.04.2022, 17:22
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | It's good when people admit their knowledge limits. I wonder how expert some of us are in spotting faked/staged videos.  | | | | | I am not a fan of CNN style reporting. But Julia Ioffe said something two or three days ago on the network (I should have recorded this one) - she said that, after two days of watching the Russian news, she would be ready to believe it - if she she did not have access to other media. This is exactly what I think. Russian government cut off access to any other media outlets. There are ways to access those, there are ways to share, using a VPN or Telegram or Signal. Still I have a feeling that people are looking over their shoulder.
There will come a day, when a Russian musician will come out with something resembling 21 Guns from Green Day, but I am afraid it will take years - culture of fear https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r00ikilDxW4
Generations have been damaged. In Ukraine and in Russia.
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06.04.2022, 17:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
OM freaking G! Just heard on the radio on the way home. Germany will be supplying heavy weapons to Ukraine. Because Russia must not win this war, they won’t be giving information on what will be supplied so that the enemy will not be able to adapt in time for their deployment, because... (here it comes) „Der Feind hört mit!“ the Enemy is listening. My brain did a backflip, that sentence hasn’t been heard from a German politician since the 40ties. Did the German government just call the Russians the enemy?
Well here is another meme from that period: „good night Marie, hang your maidenhead on a nail because things are going to get rough.
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06.04.2022, 17:39
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I am afraid it will get much MUCH worse, before it gets better. 😔
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06.04.2022, 17:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I am afraid it will get much MUCH worse, before it gets better. 😔 | | | | | At the Moment things are under control from a western viewpoint. Long may it Last.
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06.04.2022, 17:55
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | pretty concerning might be what happens to all the stingers. there's no way to account for all of these. as ukraine is also a very corrupt country, it would not surprise me if some end up being sold illegally. this could create risks for commercial flights in the future. | | | | | Stingers are not easy to use and considerable training is needed, this is why most successful attacks on commercial aircraft were carried out by some sort of formal military, very few terrorist attacks were successful.
Commercial jets fly very high so are only vulnerable to stinger attacks on take-off and landing which means terrorists have to be close to an airport to set up which somebody might notice. So far, I could not any record of such an attack in a first world country.
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06.04.2022, 18:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | My brain did a backflip | | | | | Well, there's plenty of room.
(Open goal, not meant as a personal attack).
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06.04.2022, 18:36
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Stingers are not easy to use and considerable training is needed, this is why most successful attacks on commercial aircraft were carried out by some sort of formal military, very few terrorist attacks were successful.
Commercial jets fly very high so are only vulnerable to stinger attacks on take-off and landing which means terrorists have to be close to an airport to set up which somebody might notice. So far, I could not any record of such an attack in a first world country. | | | | | from your linked document. only 2 out of the 50 attacks missed. i don't like those odds! plus a lot of the attacks documented are with older systems. presumably newer ones are more accurate and deadly.
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06.04.2022, 18:44
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Martin Niemöller is a controversial figure. I would still like to quote him. This is my personal view on repression of free press. In the context of the Russian government claiming that that they are fighting Nazis in Ukraine.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Brief history of the poem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Well, there's plenty of room. 
(Open goal, not meant as a personal attack). | | | | | Really, you should have heard the squelch it made!
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: |  | | | Did the German government just call the Russians the enemy | | | | | Yes, and the West will "fight the Russians until the last Ukrainian!" (C)
To the best of my knowledge, while destroying military and industrial objects, Russians tried to keep the railroad system intact. Now, it's becoming a target too.
Ukrainian government updated the list of weapons that can be given over to "territorial battalions", so maybe these weapons are for self-shipment
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Martin Niemöller is a controversial figure. I would still like to quote him. This is my personal view on repression of free press. In the context of the Russian government claiming that that they are fighting Nazis in Ukraine.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Brief history of the poem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... | | | | | thank goodness in the west we have a free press and freedom of speech.
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | thank goodness in the west we have a free press and freedom of speech. | | | | | Funny you should say that, this is exactly what Putin had cancelled first.
I think now even him believes in the reality he has created. See "everything is going according to the plan" etc.etc. | Quote: | |  | | | It's good when people admit their knowledge limits. I wonder how expert some of us are in spotting faked/staged videos.  | | | | | Of course we are...we were covid experts too! | The following 2 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post: | | 
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twitter is on fire after British host of Russia Today show denies affiliation to Russian state media and threatens legal action against twitter for the infamous libel of...telling Russia Today is a media company owned by the Russian state. https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/s...29349204103170 | The following 2 users would like to thank Axa for this useful post: | | 
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com...thodox_church/
They asked a pope to pray for Ukrainian soldiers.
He replied to pray for Putin.
Luckily, the Ukrainian people are not fu**ing around. I am starting to understand, that if they wouldn't, they would probably not exist as a nation already.
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06.04.2022, 21:51
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A few interesting bits and bats from Stephan Fry, be interesting to find what you guys think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB-e...channel=Pindex
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Increasing evidence the Ukrainians have captured Russian thermobaric weapons (TOS-1A) and are using them against the Russians with photos of the weapons from the Oryx site; "5 220mm TOS-1A: (1, destroyed) (2, abandoned) (3, damaged and captured) (4, captured) (5, captured)"
Seems like they have four of them!
They have also claimed to have captured three of the TZM-T reloader vehicles for this system (same link).
There is a nice video here of Ukrainian farmers towing away a TOS-1A.
This is claimed to be a video of a TOS-1A firing on Russian positions, probably the Ukrainians only have a limited supply of ammunition.
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Many of the weapons being given to the Ukrainians are coming from existing military stocks. As these need to be replenished it keeps the arms manufacturers wealthy which allows them to increase their campaign contributions (aka bribes), which keep the right wing parties in power, which buy even more weapons. | | | | | Sounds like we should be glad they were already.
If populist left groups like the Swiss GSoA (Group for a Switzerland Without Army, the initiators of the VolksInitiative, federal vote, to abolish the Swiss army some 30 years ago) had had their way there'd be neither army stocks to draw from nor factories to replenish them.
"Every country has an army. If not its own it's a foreign one." | Quote: | |  | | | Yes, and the West will "fight the Russians until the last Ukrainian!" (C) | | | | | Sad but true. | Quote: | |  | | | To the best of my knowledge, while destroying military and industrial objects, Russians tried to keep the railroad system intact. Now, it's becoming a target too. | | | | | It makes no sense to destroy the infrastructure when you're expecting a quick win.
On top of that, Russia's military is said to rely heavily on trains for every kind of transport.
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