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06.04.2022, 22:39
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Great professional work. Seriously. But the motto "throw the cars for bicycles to stop war" may be difficult to sell.
And... "tell the truth, but not all of it" probably is a sign of professionalism, too. Unfortunately.
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06.04.2022, 22:50
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06.04.2022, 23:27
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
An interview with Boris Nemtsov (R.I.P.) about Putin, Russia and Ukraine. Really worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1RpTaw68Jk
Boris Nemtsov presents in February 2015, with incredible accuracy, the context and the events that take place these days seven years after..
Maybe the slaughter of an entire people could have been avoided.. | The following 2 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post: | | 
06.04.2022, 23:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | An interview with Boris Nemtsov (R.I.P.) about Putin, Russia and Ukraine. Really worth watching. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1RpTaw68Jk
Boris Nemtsov presents in February 2015, with incredible accuracy, the context and the events that take place these days seven years after..
Maybe the slaughter of an entire people could have been avoided.. | | | | | Heartbreaking. He was Russia's chance to be a major power based on democratic principles and economic integration with the world. I bet the vast majority of Russians would have benefitted economically and in terms of personal freedom. Instead we have a pseudo-fascistic state threatening the world, impoverishing and jailing its citizens, and it's best bet is to become a protectorate of China.
But Z and all the bullshit.
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07.04.2022, 01:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Instead we have a pseudo-fascistic state | | | | | Why pseudo?
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07.04.2022, 06:54
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Instead we have a pseudo-fascistic state threatening the world, impoverishing and jailing its citizens, and it's best bet is to become a protectorate of China.
But Z and all the bullshit. | | | | | Or he will be like Nero, fiddling while the world burns
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07.04.2022, 08:00
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Putin’s Doomsday Threat
How to Prevent a Repeat of the Cuban Missile Crisis in Ukraine https://www.foreignaffairs.com/artic...n=tw_daily_soc | 
07.04.2022, 08:38
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Why pseudo? | | | | | That was my thought too, the ideology behind all of these qualifies this regime as fascist by pretty much every standard. When you announce you want to erase even the national conscience from a people, how else could we define it.But as I said before on this thread, they are not doing this for the first time in history. And the way they zombified almost their entire population, they plan to re-educate the conquered territories too.
There is intel in regards with lists already made by Putin's regime even before invading UA with people that need deported or killed....like in '41 or '45 or '48 or '56 etc etc. I always had the candour if you want to call it like that (I call it trust), and like me many, many others, to believe these black episodes from history were over and could not be repeated in the 21st century.
Anyway, I really don't know how and when this war will end...will Putin stop when he broke to pieces and brought to ashes every city and village in UA? And after that, what are his plans for Ukraine?
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07.04.2022, 09:18
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Daddy is back
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07.04.2022, 10:53
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Mocked as ‘Rubble’ by Biden, Russia’s Ruble Comes Roaring Back https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...s-roaring-back | 
07.04.2022, 10:59
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Spoils of war, goods, livestock, slaves and women. Used to be the main motivation for conquering armies
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07.04.2022, 13:00
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Spoils of war, goods, livestock, slaves and women. Used to be the main motivation for conquering armies | | | | | "bring war material with you from home, but forage on the enemy"
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07.04.2022, 13:02
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Try selling it anywhere close to the official rate. | | | | | the energy thing in the article is right though, isnt it ? I mean we have all these sanctions but they are doing nothing really while we carry on buying energy. Its actually Putin who has made the right calculation here even if he's making a pigs ear of the war. I mean 320 billion in energy this year. India is buying more than they usually do. it says japan wont stop buying. germany is only a medium term plan and to boot he's now got Orban basically there to block any EU energy sanctions against them.
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07.04.2022, 13:09
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | the energy thing in the article is right though, isnt it ? I mean we have all these sanctions but they are doing nothing really while we carry on buying energy. Its actually Putin who has made the right calculation here even if he's making a pigs ear of the war. I mean 320 billion in energy this year. India is buying more than they usually do. it says japan wont stop buying. germany is only a medium term plan and to boot he's now got Orban basically there to block any EU energy sanctions against them. | | | | | Where there is a will, there is a way. Could be the final trigger to getting the western world to a climate friendly future faster. https://news.yahoo.com/take-that-put...090053460.html | 
07.04.2022, 13:32
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | the energy thing in the article is right though, isnt it ? I mean we have all these sanctions but they are doing nothing really while we carry on buying energy. Its actually Putin who has made the right calculation here even if he's making a pigs ear of the war. I mean 320 billion in energy this year. India is buying more than they usually do. it says japan wont stop buying. germany is only a medium term plan and to boot he's now got Orban basically there to block any EU energy sanctions against them. | | | | | I think that's the reality, at least for the near term. The Soviet Union has been supplying oil and gas to the West throughout the Cold War. In the mid to long term though, Putin has done Russia a big disservice as Western buyers pivot away and Russia will depend more and more on China.
Calls are getting louder for an embargo on gas, but I just don't see it.
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07.04.2022, 13:34
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | This "Pullovers against Putin" bullshit ignores the role of natural gas in industry and power generation. Also it is easy to say when spring is coming.
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Calls are getting louder for an embargo on gas, but I just don't see it. | | | | | It's easier to smell it.
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