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08.04.2022, 20:35
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | He's a thug and will strike again once the West is sleeping in their shoes again. | | | | | Nothing is more dangerous than a humiliated man.
- attributed to Nelson Mandela
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08.04.2022, 20:38
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Ukrainians don't want to surrender, but I'm sure you will agree, that "the longer Putin bleeds, the bigger the probability of removing him is".
What happens if war ends today, sanctions are cancelled, and Putin stays in power? I don't think that "Problem solved" stamp would be ready to use in that scenario. | | | | | Do you really think that sanctions will cause Putin to see the errors of his ways, withdraw the troops with a big "Mea Culpa?"
The more he is backed into a corner the more likely he is to escalate to the point where Nato has no other option as to intervene directly.
The question arises if Putin is prepared to watch the world burn before giving up power. I think he is!
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08.04.2022, 20:46
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | We're closer to Russia defaulting on sovereign debt than dropping sanctions. That will make things a lot more interesting. | | | | | Considering that Putin came to power two years after the 1998 default - I must unfortunately agree.
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08.04.2022, 20:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Do you really think that sanctions will cause Putin to see the errors of his ways, withdraw the troops with a big "Mea Culpa?"
The more he is backed into a corner the more likely he is to escalate to the point where Nato has no other option as to intervene directly.
The question arises if Putin is prepared to watch the world burn before giving up power. I think he is! | | | | | I know two things:
1. Absolutely nothing good comes from standing down to Putin, not in the long-term.
2. He won't change, but I believe he can piss off his surrounding enough, that he will "get removed".
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08.04.2022, 20:54
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I know two things:
1. Absolutely nothing good comes from standing down to Putin, not in the long-term.
2. He won't change, but I believe he can piss off his surrounding enough, that he will "get removed". | | | | | 3. He is 70 and not immortal.
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08.04.2022, 21:07
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
The Killer in the Kremlin: Samuel Ramani on Putin's Strategy
"Putin is not fundamentally ideological; what hes focused on is the retention of power at all costs." https://octavian.substack.com/p/the-..._source=direct | The following 2 users would like to thank komsomolez for this useful post: | | 
08.04.2022, 22:09
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Nothing is more dangerous than a humiliated man.
- attributed to Nelson Mandela | | | | |
Reminds me of William Congreve's line about the "scorned woman" which was attributed to Shakespeare ("Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned, nor hell a fury like a woman scorned." I had to look this up btw :-)), but thinking more of it..of course a humiliated man could be extremely dangerous...if he's the author he must have known something...  Anyway, we digress.. Putin will be humiliated by his own acts and immorality, nobody owed him anything the moment he started this senseless war. I hope he'll get what he really deserves.
Unfortunately we'll have more and more attacks on civilians like this one, and for these war crimes someone we'll have to be held accountable.... https://abcnews.go.com/International...ahead-83953084 | The following 3 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post: | | 
08.04.2022, 22:27
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | the days of the battle tank are numbered | | | | | People probably said the same when they saw Nazi Germany's Panzerfaust in action. | Quote: |  | | | Whereas humaniods encapsulated in Robocop type gear or even android humanoids will no doubt be all over the place in future conflicts
together with a vast array of drones. | | | | | You need some form of shield for infantry on the battlefield, the alternative is Verdun in WW1. I don't think robots or whatever may replace/complement soldiers in the future will change that either. You can't let enemy machine guns mow down what survived shelling by artillery, so you need some kind of strong protection.
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08.04.2022, 22:49
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08.04.2022, 22:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | "Freedom of Russia" legion. If that is true, the "Putin gets removed" concept is slowly starting to ramp up  | | | | | Why cannot it be true? About 30-40 mio of Russians do not support Putin. Some of them are ready to fight on Ukrainan side. Also Belorussians and Tchetchens have their own battalions in Ukrainian forces.
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08.04.2022, 22:56
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The question arises if Putin is prepared to watch the world burn before giving up power. I think he is! | | | | | Luckily he cannot do this alone but only with a few other persons who might be not that crazy. | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Yes, that's exactly what she says. Ukrainians wanted the recipe of borshch belong to them alone. That's xenophobia, nazism, even extremism.
She talks like a person under a strong influence of drugs or alcohol.
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09.04.2022, 00:01
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Yes, that's exactly what she says. Ukrainians wanted the recipe of borshch belong to them alone. That's xenophobia, nazism, even extremism.
She talks like a person under a strong influence of drugs or alcohol. | | | | | Soup war. Russia is a psychotic place.
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09.04.2022, 00:25
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Za detyei. For the children.
Don't know this picture is genuine, but who would be surprised if it is?
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09.04.2022, 08:49
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
From here: https://inews.co.uk/news/ukraine-new...trikes-1564669 | Quote: |  | | | A fragment of a missile allegedly found in Kramatorsk apparently had Russian writing that said “for the children”.
The meaning of the wording remains unclear, as does who is responsible for it. The missile appears to be used by both the Ukrainians and Russians.
Tracey German, a professor in conflict and security at King’s College London, said: “За Детей in Russian means ‘for children/for the children’ – exactly what is meant by this is unclear, but it does not mean ‘intended for the children’, rather ‘on behalf of/to avenge children’, I think.”
One theory behind the message is that the writing relates to a false flag operation.
Stephen Hutchings, a professor of Russian Studies at the University of Manchester said: “If it was fired by the Russians, it may be an attempt to blame the incident on the Ukrainians, by suggesting that it was intended as a revenge strike for the deaths of children in Mariupol and elsewhere; the fact that it hit a Ukrainian railway station in a Russian-speaking region would be a way of signalling that the Ukrainian ‘Nazis’ don’t care about the lives of Russian speakers.
“If it hit the railway station by mistake, the inscription could still be interpreted as incriminating the Ukrainian ‘Nazi’ forces.
“However, at this stage, it is also still possible that the rocket was fired by the Ukrainian forces and simply missed its target.”
Prof Hutchings said the “Latin letter ‘Z’ in the Cyrillic version of ‘za detei’ is, of course, used in Russian propaganda as part of its patriotic branding”.
“It usually occurs precisely as the first letter of the word ‘za’ which means ‘for’ in Russian, usually in the combination ‘za pravdu’ (for truth), but in other combinations, too, including, as here ‘za detei’ (for the children).” | | | | | "At this stage" meant yesterday morning. Things may have moved on since - I've not read the papers yet.
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09.04.2022, 08:57
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Za detyei. For the children. 
Don't know this picture is genuine, but who would be surprised if it is? | | | | | Russia first occupied the LDNR region which lead to the death of Ukrainian kids who woul have stayed alive and lived in peaceful land otherwise, and now they are killing other Ukrainian kids using the previous deaths as a cause.
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09.04.2022, 09:06
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I know two things:
1. Absolutely nothing good comes from standing down to Putin, not in the long-term.
2. He won't change, but I believe he can piss off his surrounding enough, that he will "get removed". | | | | | 1. We are between a rock and a hard place. If you stand up to him you will get whacked, if you donīt he will take more and more.
2. I think that he has surrounded himself by a pretorian guard who wonīt let anybody "remove" him, also Ivan and Natascha on the street with their anti war and anti Putin placards will be "re-educated" as soon as they speak out.
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09.04.2022, 11:01
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Russia first occupied the LDNR region which lead to the death of Ukrainian kids who woul have stayed alive and lived in peaceful land otherwise, and now they are killing other Ukrainian kids using the previous deaths as a cause. | | | | | I don't get it, who killed Ukrainian children in LDNR and what LDNR stands for?
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09.04.2022, 11:16
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I don't get it, who killed Ukrainian children in LDNR and what LDNR stands for? | | | | | Luhansk People's Republic and Donetsk People's Republic
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09.04.2022, 12:56
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Luhansk People's Republic and Donetsk People's Republic | | | | | Ok. Who killed the children there and how?
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