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Old 10.04.2022, 21:38
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Opinion poll from Ukraine. Even neutrality is at best 50/50 (and no conditions mentioned), but forget about territorial concessions.

https://sapiens.com.ua/en/publicatio...le-page?id=211
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Old 10.04.2022, 22:59
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

A number of newspapers are showing satellite images of an eight mile long Russian convoy east of Kharkiv moving south.

Today, Oleh Syniehubov, the head of the Kharkiv regional military administration claimed a "big enemy military equipment convoy that was moving towards Izium direction was destroyed" by Ukrainian forces. It is not possible yet to confirm this claim.

Considering what happened to the 40 mile convoy it could well be true.
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Old 10.04.2022, 23:13
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If true, further evidence of genocidal strategies by Russia. I was cautious not to use the word genocide in the earlier phases of the war - but it seems that's what they mean by denazification.
They are deporting our kids to Russia since 2014, nothing new here.
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Oh heck, if France goes all nazi on us, along with Hungary and Denmark an Poland then we know why Rick Sanchez is confused about when this shit became default.
You're confused. Since when Poland is Nazi? You're faster than you think, as they say...
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Old 11.04.2022, 07:37
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You're confused. Since when Poland is Nazi? You're faster than you think, as they say...
Was trying to say: with a jump toward Faschismus
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Old 11.04.2022, 08:32
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The Ukrainian Ombudswoman for Human Rights has said that the Russian government is crafting legislation to allow Russians to adopt Ukrainian children forcibly taken to Russia by military forces.

She has also stated that, so far, over 121,000 children have been "deported" by the Russian government.

https://www.businessinsider.com/russ...22-4?r=US&IR=T

If true, further evidence of genocidal strategies by Russia. I was cautious not to use the word genocide in the earlier phases of the war - but it seems that's what they mean by denazification.
Russia's demographics is declining rapidly, to the point they won't have enough recruits to sustain a megalomaniac army starting with 2024 or 2025, a reason for which Putin has started the war now and not later. It was his last chance to catch this demographic "window".

They really have a problem with population's rapid ageing and low birth rates, so I wouldn't be surprised if they will indeed change the adoption law to get Ukraine's children, as fascist as it may look.
I mean at this point nothing surprises me anymore.
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You're confused. Since when Poland is Nazi? You're faster than you think, as they say...
Actually I'm from Poland and can explain that with "craft levels" analogy (in terms of brainwashing people):

1. Russia - master
2. Hungary - apprentice
3. Poland - student

Since a couple of years Polish state TV & radio are propaganda tubes. It absolutely wasn't like that in the past. They were perfectly neutral.
National oil refiner Orlen bought a lot of different press publishers, probably just to damp down.

So there is that urge of current goverment to brainwash people. But it was not easy for them, because society is strongly polarized.

When Ukraine war started - it's even harder for the goverment to brainwash - even some of the "zombie ones" got a cold, wake-up shower.

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So there is that urge of current goverment to brainwash people. But it was not easy for them, because society is strongly polarized.

When Ukraine war started - it's even harder for the goverment to brainwash - even some of the "zombie ones" got a cold, wake-up shower.
You have it actually opposite: the Polish post-2015 ruling majority always had a Russian-paranoia (as in: always, since nineties) and strived for larger NATO presence in Poland, cancelled weapons purchases with France and signed others with US and coveted US as the most dependable ally. They never met either a Russian President or PM. Since seven years, countries with a shared border. That's how Russia punishes the detractors, as that restraint is mutual and Russia'n thinkers even called the Polish dependence on US self-destructive and decided to deal with the real European deciders.

Besides, they were spooked by political projects like Germany's Nordstream, and in general had a paranoia of Western Europe striking a deal or yielding to Russia's claims. Ukraine-like, but with Poland as a subject instead.

Now they can claim they were vindicated, while the current political opposition can really claim as its own (when they had a chance to act) riding the Reset with Russia and the NATO-Russia Lisbon summit "cooperative" Russia wave, signing lucrative arms purchases from France while giving US a cold shoulder.

Here is a paper from a Russian state "think-thank" that is supposed to explain the Russia's viewpoint to the foreigners. An excellent article spelling it clearly that Polish alliance with US is "self-destructive" because against the EU-Russia cooperation. I recommend reading the abstract at least:
https://eng.globalaffairs.ru/article...tos-of-poland/
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Old 11.04.2022, 13:55
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They are deporting our kids to Russia since 2014, nothing new here.
can you please explain further?
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You have it actually opposite: the Polish post-2015 ruling majority always had a Russian-paranoia (as in: always, since nineties) and strived for larger NATO presence in Poland, cancelled weapons purchases with France and signed others with US and coveted US as the most dependable ally. They never met either a Russian President or PM. Since seven years, countries with a shared border. That's how Russia punishes the detractors, as that restraint is mutual and Russia'n thinkers even called the Polish dependence on US self-destructive and decided to deal with the real European deciders.

Besides, they were spooked by political projects like Germany's Nordstream, and in general had a paranoia of Western Europe striking a deal or yielding to Russia's claims. Ukraine-like, but with Poland as a subject instead.

Now they can claim they were vindicated, while the current political opposition can really claim as its own (when they had a chance to act) riding the Reset with Russia and the NATO-Russia Lisbon summit "cooperative" Russia wave, signing lucrative arms purchases from France while giving US a cold shoulder.

Here is a paper from a Russian state "think-thank" that is supposed to explain the Russia's viewpoint to the foreigners. An excellent article spelling it clearly that Polish alliance with US is "self-destructive" because against the EU-Russia cooperation. I recommend reading the abstract at least:
https://eng.globalaffairs.ru/article...tos-of-poland/
With respect, you really cannot blame the Poles for being distrustful of the Russians. History has taught them that is the best policy also due to their geographical location situated between Germany and Russia. Between the hammer and the anvil indeed.
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Old 11.04.2022, 14:48
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Just been listening to the news, again.
Thinking that perhaps Churchill was right with operation „unthinkable“ after all. Rearm the Wehrmacht, join forces and flatten Russia.
Could have saved the world a lot of trouble
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

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Thinking that perhaps Churchill was right with operation „unthinkable“ after all. Rearm the Wehrmacht, join forces and flatten Russia.
Could have saved the world a lot of trouble
Are you sure your "news" filtering is good enough?
Do you think Churchill or Wehrmacht would have stopped after flattening Russia, and leave the rest of Europe in peace?
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Syria? Get ready for some real atrocities. That guy isn´t going to pussyfoot around.
things will likely get much worse before they get better.
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things will likely get much worse before they get better.
And the person responsible for that will be Russian general. Glad you and arz and the rest of the civilised world agree.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Russians used chemical weapon in Mariupil.
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Old 11.04.2022, 21:55
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Russians used chemical weapon in Mariupil.
Probably against themselves

The preparation for exactly this fake has been detected by Russian intelligence and reported to UN on April 7th.
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Probably against themselves

The preparation for this fake has been detected by Russia and widely announced by Russian media few days ago.
Yes. This exactly what Western Intelligence has done. Russia plans to use chemical weapons, so sow seeds of doubt, then does the deed.

Thank you for noticing.
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Old 11.04.2022, 22:20
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Yes. This exactly what Western Intelligence has done. Russia plans to use chemical weapons, so sow seeds of doubt, then does the deed.

Thank you for noticing.

What's the point in using chemical weapons when Mariupol is under Russian control since several days?
Given the proven fact about fakes with chemical weapons in Iraq an Syria, such news already look like a farce. Seems that it's authors are very poor with fantasy
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What's the point in using chemical weapons when Mariupol is under Russian control since several days?
Given the proven fact about fakes with chemical weapons in Iraq an Syria, such news already look like a farce. Seems that it's authors are very poor with fantasy
They don't control a part where Ukrainian army is still defending.

The point:
- forcing defenders to surrender
- spreading terror
- punishing Mariupol as example of what happens to opposing cities
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What's the point in using chemical weapons when Mariupol is under Russian control since several days?
Given the proven fact about fakes with chemical weapons in Iraq an Syria, such news already look like a farce. Seems that it's authors are very poor with fantasy
According to the mayor, Mariupol is not under Russian control; maybe they forgot to inform him?
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