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13.04.2022, 10:58
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? https://twitter.com/lapatina_/status...9CZ3qzifkFCUtg
So even Russian woman have no empathy to Ukrainian woman. She's psychopatic or consider herself "a better human being", probably both.
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14.04.2022, 08:03
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Yes, and I think FIN and SWE would be excellent members. Impeccable democracies, stable economies and modern militaries. Much more reliable than current members such as Hungary, if you ask me. | | | | | And by the way, SWE and FIN will also be great additions for the not unlikely case that the US will pull out of or at least drastically reduce NATO support post 2024.
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14.04.2022, 10:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? One of the Russian Navy's most important warships is either floating abandoned or at the bottom of the Black Sea. Russian sailors have evacuated the guided-missile cruiser Moskva, the flagship of its Black Sea fleet, after a fire that detonated ammunition aboard, Russian state media reported Wednesday.
Ukraine is claiming they hit it with Ukraine developed Neptune cruise missiles, hard to check this due to storms in the area. The US is providing heavier weapons including 11 Mi-17 helicopters that had initially been earmarked for Afghanistan, 18 155 mm Howitzer cannons and 300 more Switchblade drones, in addition to radar systems capable of tracking incoming fire and pinpointing its origin.
Other reports add "unmanned coastal defense weapons" whatever they are.
Edit; Another theory is the guided-missile cruiser Moskva hit one of the many sea mines the Russians have been laying all over the area so making life difficult for commercial shipping.
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14.04.2022, 11:00
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Other reports add "unmanned coastal defense weapons" whatever they are. | | | | | Underwater drones.
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14.04.2022, 20:19
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Revell has rushed out a new model kit of the Russian cruiser Moscow | The following 12 users would like to thank marton for this useful post: | AbFab, bossybaby, bowlie, cannut, Excad, Hausamsee, John William, NotAllThere, Pancakes, roegner, Tom1234, Urs Max | 
14.04.2022, 22:32
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Revell has rushed out a new model kit of the Russian cruiser Moscow Attachment 143693 | | | | | Just read it - Moscow sunk while being towed to the port | The following 2 users would like to thank Excad for this useful post: | | 
14.04.2022, 22:37
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Just read it - Moscow sunk while being towed to the port  | | | | | Probably failed to find a farmer with a suitable tractor | The following 6 users would like to thank marton for this useful post: | | 
14.04.2022, 23:31
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | "The Russian leader did acknowledge the damage sanctions were doing to the economy, but said that resolving the conflict in the Donbas to his satisfaction was a higher priority."
It's going to be a long grinding war if Russia wants to take and hold a large chunk of eastern Ukraine plus a land bridge to Crimea and Ukraine fights them until the end. | | | | | I agree the first step will be for Russia to put together a strong integrated army in the east supported by a top class supply chain. Keeping close to the Russian border in the East should ease the supply problems that they faced by supplying troops across most of Ukraine almost 1,287 kilometers wide and 563 kilometers long.
Whether their generals can pull this army together from their depleted, low morale and widely separated military groups will be an interesting challenge. Their best troops were in the North and West where they faced strong and deadly resistance and eventually had to withdraw. They are currently reported to be recovering and resupplying in Belarus from where they face a journey of over 1,000 Km to Donbas; longer if they take the safer route and travel via east Russia.
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15.04.2022, 11:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
According to the BBC the Russians are now trying to cover up evidence of war crimes.
Dear Mr. Putin, if you don’t commit war crimes, you don’t need to cover them up.
I suppose it is good new as it suggests the Russians will be withdrawing.
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15.04.2022, 11:23
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | According to the BBC the Russians are now trying to cover up evidence of war crimes.
Dear Mr. Putin, if you don’t commit war crimes, you don’t need to cover them up. I suppose it is good new as it suggests the Russians will be withdrawing*. | | | | | How can you be sure? Btw, will they pay war compensations too?
*the real question is for how long...I mean, if you read Dugin you start panicking if you have the misfortune to be in the Russia's geographical realm.
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15.04.2022, 11:52
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | How can you be sure? Btw, will they pay war compensations too?
*the real question is for how long...I mean, if you read Dugin you start panicking if you have the misfortune to be in the Russia's geographical realm. | | | | | Well, if they were staying the wouldn’t be cleaning up.
I doubt War reparations wil be forthcoming and not necessarily a good idea. Remember what happened in Germany after the treaty of Versaillais.
The Russians are proving one thing. The once mighty Red army is no longer and what remains is struggling to fight their way out of a wet paper bag.
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15.04.2022, 13:56
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I doubt War reparations wil be forthcoming and not necessarily a good idea. | | | | | War compensations are necessary in this case, though of course I don't believe for a second they'll ever gonna pay for all these destructions. It was more of a rhetorical question. Putin and his cronies should also face a "Nuremberg" trial, another wishful thinking.
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15.04.2022, 19:50
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | War compensations are necessary in this case, though of course I don't believe for a second they'll ever gonna pay for all these destructions. It was more of a rhetorical question. Putin and his cronies should also face a "Nuremberg" trial, another wishful thinking. | | | | | I agree, but if we're in dreamland, I'd like to see George Bush and his cronies there as well.
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15.04.2022, 21:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
Here is a nice little rumor, seems that the Moskva was carrying a tiny bit of the „true“ cross. Seems the godly force field failed, way to go Jeez buddy.
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16.04.2022, 07:49
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
In a report from the NYTs ( https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/15/t...-fox-news.html ) it is showing that one of Putins’ biggest ally in deceiving the Russian public is Fox News. | Quote: |  | | | The narratives advanced by the Kremlin and by parts of conservative American media have converged in recent months, reinforcing and feeding each other. Along the way, Russian media has increasingly seized on Fox News’s prime-time segments, its opinion pieces and even the network’s active online comments section — all of which often find fault with the Biden administration — to paint a critical portrait of the United States and depict America’s foreign policy as a threat to Russia’s interests. Mr. Carlson was a frequent reference for Russian media, but other Fox News personalities — and the occasional news update from the network — were also included. | | | | | | Quote: |  | | | Sergey Lavrov, Russia’s foreign minister, who has made several false claims about the war — including that Russia never attacked Ukraine — singled out Fox News for praise last month.
“We understood long ago that there is no such thing as an independent Western media,” Mr. Lavrov told the state television station RT, adding that “only Fox News is trying to present some alternative point of view.” | | | | | | Quote: |  | | | Mentions of Fox News in Russian-language media grew 217 percent during the first quarter of this year compared with the final quarter of last year, as news coverage of Ukraine increased, according to an analysis by Zignal Labs, a media tracking company that reviewed social media posts, broadcast media and online websites. CNN, which has about three times the global viewership of Fox News, according to the tracking company Similarweb, was mentioned more often but grew less, by 71 percent. | | | | | | Quote: |  | | | Here are four ways Russian media has used Fox News to bolster the government’s narrative about the war.
1. Blaming NATO expansion
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2. Buttressing conspiracy theories
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3. Questioning the West’s goals
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4. Criticizing President Biden
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16.04.2022, 09:43
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Question is have the Russian public jointed the dots and realised that in the west we can criticise our leaders to our hearts’ content?? | | | | | If only we could have stopped invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, sending arms to Syrian "freedom" fighters, abandoning Kurds, Françafrique... But criticise we can...
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16.04.2022, 21:35
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Here is a nice little rumor, seems that the Moskva was carrying a tiny bit of the „true“ cross. Seems the godly force field failed, way to go Jeez buddy. | | | | | It appears they bought it from Baldric. | Quote: | |  | | | If only we could have stopped invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, sending arms to Syrian "freedom" fighters, abandoning Kurds, Françafrique... But criticise we can... | | | | | Got a problem with democracy do you?
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16.04.2022, 22:13
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Here is a nice little rumor, seems that the Moskva was carrying a tiny bit of the „true“ cross. Seems the godly force field failed, way to go Jeez buddy. | | | | | Probably more than a rumour, this story was published by the Russian state media in February 2020.
Seems ever more likely the cruiser Moscow was hit with Ukrainian missiles especially as the rest of the Black Sea fleet has been moved further away from the coast.
Estimates for replacing the cruiser Moscow could cost up to $1 Billion.
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16.04.2022, 22:22
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Probably more than a rumour, this story was published by the Russian state media in February 2020.
Seems ever more likely the cruiser Moscow was hit with Ukrainian missiles especially as the rest of the Black Sea fleet has been moved further away from the coast.
Estimates for replacing the cruiser Moscow could cost up to $1 Billion. | | | | | Except that the Moskva was actually built in Mykolaiv by the Ukrainians for the Soviets. Crimea doesn’t have ship building facilities capable of building such a warship. Perhaps one of the far north or western ports could do it, but I seriously doubt the Turks would allow passage, at least until the war ends.
I believe the expression is ‘well and truly screwed’.
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Reason: Corrected Ukrainian city from Odessa to Mykolaiv
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