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19.04.2022, 22:36
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And? I would happily throw Selensky and the entire country of Ukraine to the dogs, add Moldovia as a sweetner to boot, if my grandchildren were in danger of being nuked. | | | | | i can understand that sentiment. yet very few are as honest as you are to actually admit it.
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19.04.2022, 22:49
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And? I would happily throw Selensky and the entire country of Ukraine to the dogs, add Moldovia as a sweetner to boot, if my grandchildren were in danger of being nuked. | | | | | Hey, don't worry. Vova is just as keen on survival as you are. If the US keep on playing this cool, I am optimistic I will see my crappy pension pay out.
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19.04.2022, 23:03
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Hey, don't worry. Vova is just as keen on survival as you are. If the US keep on playing this cool, I am optimistic I will see my crappy pension pay out. | | | | | My pension is so crappy it would be best if the nukes flew.
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20.04.2022, 08:45
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And? I would happily throw Selensky and the entire country of Ukraine to the dogs, add Moldovia as a sweetner to boot, if my grandchildren were in danger of being nuked. | | | | | Even if you feel that way, though I tend to believe you don't really mean it, I don't think it is OK to say it out loud in public. Not because of lack of honesty, what is honesty btw, being true to your feelings and dismissing everyone one else's, imagine what would you think if someone would say to hell and let's nuke Great Britain from the orbit (and probably you'll even find people who would gladly do it, think about it)? Wouldn't be too nice, would it.
I understand it is a public online semi-anonymous forum and people are using metaphors and don't really mean everything they write here, but I am afraid I cannot take this verbal violence anymore, since everything begins with words.
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20.04.2022, 08:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And? I would happily throw Selensky and the entire country of Ukraine to the dogs, add Moldovia as a sweetner to boot, if my grandchildren were in danger of being nuked. | | | | | I wouldn't.
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20.04.2022, 10:01
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And? I would happily throw Selensky and the entire country of Ukraine to the dogs, add Moldovia as a sweetner to boot, if my grandchildren were in danger of being nuked. | | | | | It's not only total abscence of empathy (which tells us the most about yourself), but first of all, it's extremely naive idea and expectaction.
Because your grandchildren would still be in danger. It would be just postponed.
Putin(and the rest of the gang) is not a dog, which you can simply pet and expect it will stop biting from now on.
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20.04.2022, 10:22
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And? I would happily throw Selensky and the entire country of Ukraine to the dogs, add Moldovia as a sweetner to boot, if my grandchildren were in danger of being nuked. | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | My pension is so crappy it would be best if the nukes flew. | | | | |
I can't decide if you are either simply a mentally disturbed individual, or just someone who really seeks attention through posting incessant ridiculous crap in order to provoke reactions from people. Or maybe a mixture of both. Either way, it's quite pathetic to read.
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20.04.2022, 10:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
For whatever it is worth, several senior Russian figures have recently ruled out the use of nukes in the context of Ukraine. Saying nothing that happens in Ukraine would constitute an existential threat to Russia - which is the trigger in the doctribe. Peskov, Lavrov and I believe Medvedev. Now they are not the decision makers, but these statements in combination with the somewhat toned down "objectives" Putin himself talked about, may be reason to think that Russia will not go totally ballistic (haha).
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20.04.2022, 10:41
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And? I would happily throw Selensky and the entire country of Ukraine to the dogs, add Moldovia as a sweetner to boot, if my grandchildren were in danger of being nuked. | | | | | Once you give in to a bully where can you stop?
What when Putin wants to conscript your grandchildren into the Russian army?
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20.04.2022, 12:46
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | And? I would happily throw Selensky and the entire country of Ukraine to the dogs, add Moldovia as a sweetner to boot, if my grandchildren were in danger of being nuked. | | | | | This will not change anything. If not Ukrainians, there will be always someone else to use as a tool against Russians.
Does anyone still remember who's been pushing for nuclear weapons control since WWII, and who's been sabotaging this by changing the rules and breaking the agreements, and who actually has used such weapons before, facing no existential threat?
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20.04.2022, 13:14
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Oh. I'm sorry. Was it too subtle? The intimation was that the poster is simply parroting Putin's putrid propaganda.
HTH. | | | | | I wish it were Kremlin's propaganda. However, it is the US delivering by far the most weapons, like there is no comparison with other countries. Not only that, they also are quite certainly making these deliveries happen and assure the safety (to whatever degree possible) of the transit countries.
Supporting Ukraine is aligned with US interests (as of present), while its is at best misaligned with those of France and Germany. These externalities would be similar if a (minor) eastern NATO member were attacked. NATO's article 5 is not automatic, the treaty wording is that the states "will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking ... such action as it deems necessary". Could be military action, weapons delivery or sanctions, up to the decision of each member. https://estonianworld.com/security/p...-other-nation/
I don't want to say these countries support Russia in some evil campaign. They just try to protect their economic and geo-political interests and they depend or need Russia either for raw materials or for their games in Middle East and Africa. It is just politics as usual.
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20.04.2022, 13:22
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | This will not change anything. If not Ukrainians, there will be always someone else to use as a tool against Russians.
Does anyone still remember who's been pushing for nuclear weapons control since WWII, and who's been sabotaging this by changing the rules and breaking the agreements, and who actually has used such weapons before, facing no existential threat? | | | | | Gotta love Russia. Riding the high horse while suffering from an incurable inferiority complex vis a vis the West.
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20.04.2022, 13:29
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | This will not change anything. If not Ukrainians, there will be always someone else to use as a tool against Russians. | | | | | Oh I see. Russia is the victim in this.
Ukraine: 2700 civilians dead, 5 million refugees.
Russian: 0 civilians dead, 0 refugees.
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20.04.2022, 13:31
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | I can't decide if you are either simply a mentally disturbed individual, or just someone who really seeks attention through posting incessant ridiculous crap in order to provoke reactions from people. Or maybe a mixture of both. Either way, it's quite pathetic to read. | | | | | I'd just take it as stress leaving the body, No way these words can be taken literally. After all, it's the grand children than worry and take care of grand parents, specially when grandparents face economic challenges in retirement. Let it be...
Something similar happened in the coronavirus thread. Not everything has to be articulate and intelligent, but if it helps people to keep going, it's more than fine.
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20.04.2022, 14:21
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Even if you feel that way, though I tend to believe you don't really mean it, I don't think it is OK to say it out loud in public. Not because of lack of honesty, what is honesty btw, being true to your feelings and dismissing everyone one else's, imagine what would you think if someone would say to hell and let's nuke Great Britain from the orbit (and probably you'll even find people who would gladly do it, think about it)? Wouldn't be too nice, would it.
I understand it is a public online semi-anonymous forum and people are using metaphors and don't really mean everything they write here, but I am afraid I cannot take this verbal violence anymore, since everything begins with words.
I pity the mods.  | | | | | i appreciate his raw honesty and I'd guess his sentiment is (privately) shared by many people. governments too.
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20.04.2022, 15:16
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | This will not change anything. If not Ukrainians, there will be always someone else to use as a tool against Russians.
Does anyone still remember who's been pushing for nuclear weapons control since WWII, and who's been sabotaging this by changing the rules and breaking the agreements, and who actually has used such weapons before, facing no existential threat? | | | | | The biggest "tool" used against Russians is...
Russians themselves allowing the existence of their government.
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20.04.2022, 15:27
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | i can understand that sentiment. yet very few are as honest as you are to actually admit it. | | | | | It's no wonder, the ad hominems fly immediately.
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20.04.2022, 15:49
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | It's no wonder, the ad hominems fly immediately. | | | | | vushka's comment is of itself ad hominem. Implying that anyone who doesn't agree with them is a liar.
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20.04.2022, 15:59
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | vushka's comment is of itself ad hominem. Implying that anyone who doesn't agree with them is a liar. | | | | | Not openly admitting something is different from lying.
That's basic logic, you should read up on it.
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20.04.2022, 16:14
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
There is a certain concept that springs to my mind in the last couple of days - Zugzwang. It basically means that whatever move you make in a game - it is to your detriment. My personal opinion - this is what looks like in this situation for all parties involved. The Grand Chessboard 😏
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