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Sounds like a personal attack, meaning you have no other objections.

Comparing 2022 with 1941 was a very strange argument - Hitler invaded all of Europe before attacking Russia, obviously not in order to avoid any threat to Germany
He has made much more preposterous and inflammatory posts here that went unsanctioned, this is not a personal attack it's quoting him. Don't play the victim card.

Who has invaded Europe in 2022? Did they plan to invade Russia? Do you justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine because Putin and his cronies "felt threatened"?
If I feel threatened by a neighbour do I have the right to attack him with an axe just in case, because my delusions tell me he's planning something?
Unfortunately UA seems like a proxy war of Russia with the West, they yearned for this final confrontation because they thought they didn't get what they deserved after '90s.
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Old 23.04.2022, 09:52
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Sounds like a personal attack, meaning you have no other objections.

Comparing 2022 with 1941 was a very strange argument - Hitler invaded all of Europe before attacking Russia, obviously not in order to avoid any threat to Germany
Personal attack? Slammer used a Himmler quote and suggested that America had the same genocidal ambitions towards Russia as the Nazis had.
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Old 23.04.2022, 10:06
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Putin had no other choice but to send at least 30,000 of his own citizens to their deaths with more dying every day?
Have you read the book? It´s on Amazon.
30.000, could well be only a fraction of the deaths that the Kremlin budgeted for.
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Have you read the book? It´s on Amazon.
30.000, could well be only a fraction of the deaths that the Kremlin budgeted for.
Sometimes you posts make me wish Die Berliner Mauer was still there with Slammer behind it so that we could have a first-hand "better red than dead" opinion.
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Old 23.04.2022, 10:32
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Personal attack? Slammer used a Himmler quote and suggested that America had the same genocidal ambitions towards Russia as the Nazis had.
I have not read anything about American genocide here, but Lebensraum für Deutche in 1941 and Resources for America in 21 th century sound very similar indeed, even though not so openly announced.
And the methots Amies have been using so far, are quite similar to ones used by nazis. Accusing Russians on using these methods has obvious objective of masquerading the real facts.



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He has made much more preposterous and inflammatory posts here that went unsanctioned, this is not a personal attack it's quoting him. Don't play the victim card.
The response of komsomolez had nothing in common with the post he quoted, and it was attempt to insult the original poster.

Obviously,it was my mistake too, to raise it. I usually tend do ignore the off-topic responses.

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Who has invaded Europe in 2022? Did they plan to invade Russia? Do you justify Russia's invasion of Ukraine because Putin and his cronies "felt threatened"?
The have planned to destabilize the Russian economics by maintaining permanent threat at the border. And, chances we=re high enough that the monkey with the grenade will once use it.

We've seen examples when arming and supporting extremists caused huge trouble for surrounding counties.



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If I feel threatened by a neighbour do I have the right to attack him with an axe just in case, because my delusions tell me he's planning something?
You may have no right but no other choice either, if the police is ignoring your calls.

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Unfortunately UA seems like a proxy war of Russia with the West, they yearned for this final confrontation because they thought they didn't get what they deserved after '90s.
Yes, Ukraine is a proxy to US, but it has nothing to do with the Ukrainians or Russians will. It's only America who's been choosing the rules until 24.02.2022, and I hope this will not happen anymore.

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Have you read the book? It´s on Amazon.
30.000, could well be only a fraction of the deaths that the Kremlin budgeted for.
"Budgeted". Your choice of words, if you're not sarcastic, is really disturbing.

You really sound like you believe there is only one rule in the world: survival of the fittest.
That is really disturbing, since you're living in "the West", so you have possibility to see that there is more to life than only that:

"Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thigh bone) that had been broken and then healed.
Mead explained that, in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink, or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal.

A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety, and has tended the person through recovery. "

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Old 23.04.2022, 10:43
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"Budgeted". Your choice of words, if you're not sarcastic, is really disturbing.

You really sound like you believe there is only one rule in the world: survival of the fittest.
That is really disturbing, since you're living in "the West", so you have possibility to see that there is more to life than only that:

"Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thigh bone) that had been broken and then healed.
Mead explained that, in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink, or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal.

A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety, and has tended the person through recovery. "

https://www.spiveyblog.com/posts/how...ization-starts
I read about that too, it does prove that we cared for each other. However it doesn´t disprove that the poor guy could have broken his femur in a fight with another tribe.
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Old 23.04.2022, 10:53
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I have not read anything about American genocide here, but Lebensraum für Deutche in 1941 and Resources for America in 21 th century sound very similar indeed, even though not so openly announced.
And the methots Amies have been using so far, are quite similar to ones used by nazis. Accusing Russians on using these methods has obvious objective of masquerading the real facts.




The response of komsomolez had nothing in common with the post he quoted, and it was attempt to insult the original poster.

Obviously,it was my mistake too, to raise it. I usually tend do ignore the off-topic responses.


The have planned to destabilize the Russian economics by maintaining permanent threat at the border. And, chances we=re high enough that the monkey with the grenade will once use it.

We've seen examples when arming and supporting extremists caused huge trouble for surrounding counties.



You may have no right but no other choice either, if the police is ignoring your calls.

Yes, Ukraine is a proxy to US, but it has nothing to do with the Ukrainians or Russians will. It's only America who's been choosing the rules until 24.02.2022, and I hope this will not happen anymore.
More of the same Russian inferiority complex and playing victim with blood on their hands. Why people in Germany or other Western countries buy into that nonsense is beyond me.
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I read about that too, it does prove that we cared for each other. However it doesn´t disprove that the poor guy could have broken his femur in a fight with another tribe.
Could be, I'm not gonna question that.

But the biggest difference between today and the past is that civilization development allowed that we have now resources to fulfill basic needs of every human being on the globe.
So - if there would be a will, there will be no need to kill each other anymore.
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Old 23.04.2022, 11:18
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More of the same Russian inferiority complex and playing victim with blood on their hands. Why people in Germany or other Western countries buy into that nonsense is beyond me.
Once again, an attempt to argue without arguments.
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Old 23.04.2022, 11:20
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The have planned to destabilize the Russian economics by maintaining permanent threat at the border. And, chances we=re high enough that the monkey with the grenade will once use it.

We've seen examples when arming and supporting extremists caused huge trouble for surrounding counties.

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But what we see now is Russia had invaded Ukraine which is simply defending itself and not the other way around. If Russia was ever concerned about economics they would have never started this war to begin with. They appear to need that "Lebensraum" (i.e. whole Ukraine ) the nazis pretended the German nation needed and was entitled to during the ww2. Or the population, since there are info about deportations from UA to remote regions in RU taking place these days.

They also explicitly said they need to "de-ukrainise" the Ukrainians meaning their declared purpose is to erase their national conscience ("myths" was one of the words recently used by Medvedev) which equals to their annihilation as an ethnic group, which again, is nazism in its purest form and this is not a Western narrative, this is what Putin and other cronies have openly and repeatedly declared.

I personally cannot understand how anyone would accuse USA for what Russia is doing in and with Ukraine. If you truly believe that then I suppose we cannot continue this conversation anymore.
I guess it's high time to give this thread a good rest.

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Old 23.04.2022, 11:21
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Once again, an attempt to argue without arguments.
Are you seriously expecting that I will argue about statements like "And the methots Amies have been using so far, are quite similar to ones used by nazis"?
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Are you seriously expecting that I will argue about statements like "And the methots Amies have been using so far, are quite similar to ones used by nazis"?
Of course you won't - these facts are well documented.
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They appear to need that "Lebensraum" (i.e. whole Ukraine )
They also explicitly said they need to "de-ukrainise" the Ukrainians meaning their declared purpose is to erase their national conscience
Both statements are at least misinterpreted unless purposefully misrepresented
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Of course you won't - these facts are well documented.

Both statements are at least misinterpreted unless purposefully misrepresented
How do you interpret them then? Putin wants the whole Ukraine otherwise they wouldn't have attacked Kyiv, Mariupol etc.

How do you interpret the "de-ukrainise" thing? Are you gonna say white is black and black is white too? For how long?
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Old 23.04.2022, 12:16
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And the methots Amies have been using so far, are quite similar to ones used by nazis. Accusing Russians the West on using these methods has obvious objective of masquerading the real facts.
Fixed that for you.

You do know that those facts you consider "real" happen to coincide with exactly what Putin and the Kremlin say?
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The have planned to destabilize the Russian economics by maintaining permanent threat at the border. And, chances we=re high enough that the monkey with the grenade will once use it.

We've seen examples when arming and supporting extremists caused huge trouble for surrounding counties.
"State news agency TASS quoted the acting commander of Russia's Central Military District, Maj. Gen. Rustam Minnekaev, as saying the aim was to create a land corridor between Ukraine's eastern Donbas region and Crimea.
He added that control over Ukraine's south would give Russian forces access to Transnistria, a separatist statelet in Moldova, where a contingent of Russian forces has been stationed since the early 1990s. "

So please explain what Moldova did to earn a Russian invasion?
Moldova does not plan to join the EU or NATO, and with no US influence.

Russia is simply imperialist and uses brute force to attempt to return to Soviet times.

A new claim that Russia has admitted to 20,000 soldier deaths and 200 from the Moskova.
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"State news agency TASS quoted the acting commander of Russia's Central Military District, Maj. Gen. Rustam Minnekaev, as saying the aim was to create a land corridor between Ukraine's eastern Donbas region and Crimea.
He added that control over Ukraine's south would give Russian forces access to Transnistria, a separatist statelet in Moldova, where a contingent of Russian forces has been stationed since the early 1990s. "

So please explain what Moldova did to earn a Russian invasion?
Moldova does not plan to join the EU or NATO, and with no US influence.

Russia is simply imperialist and uses brute force to attempt to return to Soviet times.

A new claim that Russia has admitted to 20,000 soldier deaths and 200 from the Moskova.
No, they plan to join EU and rightly so. They were forced to be neutral in 1992 or 1991 if I recall correctly, they don't really have an army. Transnistria is a joke of a "republic" and the pro-Moldova locals are heavily reprimanded and persecuted. This is RU.
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How do you interpret the "de-ukrainise" thing?
It's only your fantasies, unless you you consider "Ukrainian" and "Nazi" synonyms
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It's only your fantasies, unless you you consider "Ukrainian" and "Nazi" synonyms
Liar. Putin used this term.
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Liar. Putin used this term.
Source please.
Officially announced purpose of operation is denazification.
No one in their right mind will identify a bunch of freaks with the Ukrainian people.
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