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Old 23.04.2022, 20:42
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Ukraine claims to have killed two more Russian generals, who knows?
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Old 23.04.2022, 21:15
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the same as azov battalions.
Na und? The point is Putin is claiming that he's indulging in denazification. You believe that Azoz are nazis.

Putin is using a nazi to denazify. If azoz are nazis then he's a hypocrite. If not... well you decide. But just maybe his reason of invasion isn't a deep desire to rid the world of nazis. Many of whom, according to Putin, are, in the Ukraine, Jewish Nazis.
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Old 23.04.2022, 21:17
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I personally cannot understand how anyone would accuse USA for what Russia is doing in and with Ukraine.
There are two categories of people who do this. The ones who are paid for it or the ones who watch Russian state TV a lot.
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Old 23.04.2022, 21:20
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There are two categories of people who do this. The ones who are paid for it or the ones who watch Russian state TV a lot.
Three categories. Deluded idiots. No wait. Four categories. Psychotic. Actually there are probable more than four.
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Old 23.04.2022, 21:35
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I read somewhere that members of the Wagner group fought American troops in Africa and got their asses handed to them with a few non standard, surplus holes punched.
Look up the Battle of Kasham, Syria.
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Old 23.04.2022, 22:28
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the same as azov battalions.
battalions? More than one? Source, please?
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Old 23.04.2022, 23:58
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Three categories. Deluded idiots. No wait. Four categories. Psychotic. Actually there are probable more than four.
I feel sorry for all of them.

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Na und? The point is Putin is claiming that he's indulging in denazification. You believe that Azoz are nazis.

Putin is using a nazi to denazify. If azoz are nazis then he's a hypocrite. If not... well you decide. But just maybe his reason of invasion isn't a deep desire to rid the world of nazis. Many of whom, according to Putin, are, in the Ukraine, Jewish Nazis.
This looks like they're still living in '45. Nothing to add...
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Old 24.04.2022, 10:39
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Na und? The point is Putin is claiming that he's indulging in denazification. You believe that Azoz are nazis.
They are Azov, not Azoz. Like the Sea of Azov, which Russia wants to take away from us.
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Old 24.04.2022, 19:45
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

The Four Russias and Ukraine
Observations on Russia's stratified population and their attitude to war

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...ukraine-a77423
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Old 24.04.2022, 20:25
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They are Azov, not Azoz. Like the Sea of Azov, which Russia wants to take away from us.
It's a typo. Sorry about that. I was trying to address the Kremlin inspired crap that's being posted. Which do you consider more important?
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Old 24.04.2022, 20:41
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The Four Russias and Ukraine
Observations on Russia's stratified population and their attitude to war

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...ukraine-a77423
Thank you for posting this. Much of it, as far as I am concerned, is reality. But how is this stratification different from the US. Where joining the military is the one way for those from the poorer families to guarantee a certain standard of life, provided one comes back in one piece.
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Old 24.04.2022, 20:49
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The Four Russias and Ukraine
Observations on Russia's stratified population and their attitude to war

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/...ukraine-a77423
That was interesting and quite blunt but nothing new.
Russian society divided into four groups, just like the Romans and pretty much every society after that.
Royalty
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Everything else is just cosmetics.
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Old 24.04.2022, 20:58
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Thank you for posting this. Much of it, as far as I am concerned, is reality. But how is this stratification different from the US. Where joining the military is the one way for those from the poorer families to guarantee a certain standard of life, provided one comes back in one piece.
Every nation has a large "underclass", nobody has a solution.

Communism was sold as the solution but clearly failed in all those countries that tried it.
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Old 24.04.2022, 21:09
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Every nation has a large "underclass", nobody has a solution.

Communism was sold as the solution but clearly failed in all those countries that tried it.
This is exactly my point.
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Old 24.04.2022, 22:35
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Unexpected development puts pressure on Russia.
"Turkey closes air space to Russian military, civilian jets heading to Syria".

Ukraine has been asking Turkey to limit such flights.
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the same as azov battalions.
Ok, I think we need to ask origin questions here:
What are/were the signs of Nazism in Ukraine (except Azov battalion)?
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Ok, I think we need to ask origin questions here:
What are/were the signs of Nazism in Ukraine (except Azov battalion)?
i would start by looking up stepan bandera
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

of particular interest is the section 'legacy' which shows his continued impact on modern ukraine.
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Old 25.04.2022, 08:51
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i would start by looking up stepan bandera
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

of particular interest is the section 'legacy' which shows his continued impact on modern ukraine.
Ah, one Nazi collaborator, France lists over 140 so what does that make France?

For those at the back of the class, this is ironic.
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Old 25.04.2022, 09:01
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i would start by looking up stepan bandera
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepan_Bandera

of particular interest is the section 'legacy' which shows his continued impact on modern ukraine.
An interesting bio. Had not heard more than that name. So we have a Nazi who was put into a concentration camp by the real Nazis and later poisoned by the KGB. 63 years ago.

If that isn't a casus belli, I don't know what is.
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Old 25.04.2022, 09:21
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For those at the back of the class, this is ironic.
Indeed. Russia is accusing everyone of being nazis which is ridiculous considering what Stalin and the soviets did not only for a few years during the second world war but for decades on (deportations, gulags, systematically persecuting and eliminating the native, local populations in the occupied territories etc) till the fall of USSR, if you want to bring in history....Bandera, yeah right.

But let's forget about history and judge things by the current nationalism going on over there (Putin's war rally in March is rather significant) and the war in Ukraine only.
Ironic to accuse others? No, idiotic.

Anyway, this happens because we didn't have the trials of communism as we should have had and didn't learn much about the crimes of Stalinism, communism etc. for obvious reasons... That's why we still have nostalgics in the East and champagne communists in the West.

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