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An interesting bio. Had not heard more than that name. So we have a Nazi who was put into a concentration camp by the real Nazis and later poisoned by the KGB. 63 years ago.

If that isn't a casus belli, I don't know what is.
The OUN is still around, mostly under the Svoboda label these days, they get low percentages in the election but they are still active in Ukraine politics.
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Old 25.04.2022, 10:04
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The OUN is still around, mostly under the Svoboda label these days, they get low percentages in the election but they are still active in Ukraine politics.
Thanks. Just had a look at Wikipedia, 2.15% in the 2019 election.
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Old 25.04.2022, 10:15
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Thanks. Just had a look at Wikipedia, 2.15% in the 2019 election.
Low percentages indeed. But hanging around Ukraine politics like a stray fart in a elevator.
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Old 25.04.2022, 10:26
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Low percentages indeed. But hanging around Ukraine politics like a stray fart in a elevator.
Almost every country in Europe, including Russia, has some sort of extremist or populist parties or political organisations which appeal to certain segments of the population. This is democracy for you.
I don't think it's a good reason to invade them.
Btw, there's a saying about people who live in glass houses...

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The OUN is still around, mostly under the Svoboda label these days, they get low percentages in the election but they are still active in Ukraine politics.
Interesting, this is a marginal issue, admittedly. How about the good ol' France, where a candidate of far-right gets 41% votes and extreme-left maoist candidate almost got to the second round. Or where a former supreme leader of Germany takes ahem, salary, from Russia to promote its interests (or is is paid for his former services?), and is still a respectable and influential member of a ruling party?
By the numbers, these are way more dangerous traits, unless some history books glossed over large chapters of Soviet and Chinese history. I've seen a book of this type sold in EDEKA or similar, 'History of East Prussia'. It's last chapter ended just before 01.09.1939. What a coincidence.
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Old 25.04.2022, 11:55
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Almost every country in Europe, including Russia, has some sort of extremist or populist parties or political organisations which appeal to certain segments of the population. This is democracy for you.
I don't think it's a good reason to invade them.
Btw, there's a saying about people who live in glass houses...
I don‘t understand what you are trying to say
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Old 25.04.2022, 11:56
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Interesting, this is a marginal issue, admittedly. How about the good ol' France, where a candidate of far-right gets 41% votes and extreme-left maoist candidate almost got to the second round. Or where a former supreme leader of Germany takes ahem, salary, from Russia to promote its interests (or is is paid for his former services?), and is still a respectable and influential member of a ruling party?
By the numbers, these are way more dangerous traits, unless some history books glossed over large chapters of Soviet and Chinese history. I've seen a book of this type sold in EDEKA or similar, 'History of East Prussia'. It's last chapter ended just before 01.09.1939. What a coincidence.
Marginal yes, but the groundswell is there and getting stronger election by election.
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Old 25.04.2022, 12:20
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Marginal yes, but the groundswell is there and getting stronger election by election.
And...? Is this the reason for which Russia has invaded Ukraine? What's your point? This looks like repeating Russian propaganda.

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Interesting, this is a marginal issue, admittedly. How about the good ol' France, where a candidate of far-right gets 41% votes and extreme-left maoist candidate almost got to the second round. Or where a former supreme leader of Germany takes ahem, salary, from Russia to promote its interests (or is is paid for his former services?), and is still a respectable and influential member of a ruling party?.
Well at least she/they didn't win the elections in France whereas in Hungary they keep voting the same nationalistic bunch for over ten years now and Putin is good friends with the gang. And with other nationalistic, populistic parties which could be easily labeled "nazis" as per his definitions.
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Old 25.04.2022, 12:55
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And...? Is this the reason for which Russia has invaded Ukraine? What's your point? This looks like repeating Russian

Uhh! I was writing more generic than specific. Please take a better look.
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Another report from RTR Planeta

Ukrainian language does not exist, only Zelenskyy speaks it (??)
Russian intelligent people are deranged / unstable
Social psychology is necessary

The WAY people speak makes me think they are on cocaine
I had a roommate once, who would continue talking even when I left the room..
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I had a roommate once, who would continue talking even when I left the room..
I've noticed that a lot particularly over the past 10 years wth Smartphones and earpieces with hands free conversations without the Smartphone being visible, with people talking to ( what looks like ) themselves, it's catching on !!
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

The law of unexpected consequences strikes again.

"Finland, Sweden To Begin NATO Application In May.
Finland and Sweden will together express their wish to join NATO in May, tabloid newspapers Iltalehti in Finland and Expressen in Sweden reported on Monday, citing sources close to the matter."

After seeing what Russia is doing to their "brothers" in Ukraine if I was in those countries I would be joining NATO plus joining anything else that might give me protection as soon as possible.
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Old 26.04.2022, 08:59
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The law of unexpected consequences strikes again.

"Finland, Sweden To Begin NATO Application In May.
Finland and Sweden will together express their wish to join NATO in May, tabloid newspapers Iltalehti in Finland and Expressen in Sweden reported on Monday, citing sources close to the matter."

After seeing what Russia is doing to their "brothers" in Ukraine if I was in those countries I would be joining NATO plus joining anything else that might give me protection as soon as possible.
I wonder if the military augurs in the kremlin saw that coming?
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I wonder if the military augurs in the kremlin saw that coming?
Well, who sows the wind, need to be prepared to reap the whirlwind.
(sounds a bit wierd in English )

They were expecting a swift victory, so they didn't expect that.
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Old 26.04.2022, 09:15
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Well, who sows the wind, need to be prepared to reap the whirlwind.
(sounds a bit wierd in English )
Nope, that's exactly right. The original is "they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind".
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Nope, that's exactly right. The original is "they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind".
I meant more that having "wind" next to "whirlwind" is kind of poor poetry
(in Polish its more like "they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the tempest")
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Nope, that's exactly right. The original is "they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind".
They've eaten the beans and will smell the farts.
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The law of unexpected consequences strikes again.

"Finland, Sweden To Begin NATO Application In May.
Finland and Sweden will together express their wish to join NATO in May, tabloid newspapers Iltalehti in Finland and Expressen in Sweden reported on Monday, citing sources close to the matter."

After seeing what Russia is doing to their "brothers" in Ukraine if I was in those countries I would be joining NATO plus joining anything else that might give me protection as soon as possible.
Georgia moves to join NATO, gets invaded.
Ukraine moves to join NATO, gets invaded.
Not sure that I would conclude that joining NATO is the best move.

That said, Russia probably doesn't care too much about FI and SE, so it might not make a difference in the end. But I expect RU would take some measures to register their displeasure at further NATO expansion.

EDIT: also after what happened in Ukraine and the high costs imposed, I doubt RU would be in a hurry to invade anyone else very soon (Transnistria expansion excepted).

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Well, who sows the wind, need to be prepared to reap the whirlwind.
(sounds a bit wierd in English )

They were expecting a swift victory, so they didn't expect that.
Russia wanted a Blitzkrieg and Ukraine gave them Total war.
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I meant more that having "wind" next to "whirlwind" is kind of poor poetry
(in Polish its more like "they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the tempest")
"Repetition in word and phrase and in idea is the very essence of poetry"

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