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27.04.2022, 00:34
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | We will need to militarize. We, as in civilized Europe. I would welcome if Germany would enter a discussion with France and the UK for a joint nuclear defense scheme. Which of course means Germany, and maybe Poland and others, need to acquire nuclear arms. On top of a lot of conventional weapons.
Why? No way I count on the US protecting Europe by Jan 2025. | | | | | What??? Proliferation of nuclear weapons for everyone. That’s not gonna end up well and bring the world closer to the brink of destruction. Conventional weapons and lot of them, that’s fine.
I’m sure that Kim Jong would welcome the idea:
North Korea: Kim Jong-un vows to step up nuclear weapons programme https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-61225675 | This user would like to thank jacek for this useful post: | | 
27.04.2022, 00:40
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | What??? Proliferation of nuclear weapons for everyone. That’s not gonna end up well and bring the world closer to the brink of destruction. Conventional weapons and lot of them, that’s fine.
I’m sure that Kim Jong would welcome the idea:
North Korea: Kim Jong-un vows to step up nuclear weapons programme https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-61225675 | | | | |
It is both, conventional and nuclear. And we are lacking both in Europe, including Switzerland. Build both, wisely. Don't count on the US. We are lucky this is not happening under motherf***ing Trump.
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27.04.2022, 03:41
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | We will need to militarize. We, as in civilized Europe. I would welcome if Germany would enter a discussion with France and the UK for a joint nuclear defense scheme. Which of course means Germany, and maybe Poland and others, need to acquire nuclear arms. On top of a lot of conventional weapons.
Why? No way I count on the US protecting Europe by Jan 2025. | | | | | Looks like the chances of a factual remake of the classic film, On The Beach ( based on a novel by Nevil Shute ) is gaining momentum this year. On the beach film - 1959 On the beach film - 2000 | 
27.04.2022, 06:17
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | We will need to militarize. We, as in civilized Europe. I would welcome if Germany would enter a discussion with France and the UK for a joint nuclear defense scheme. Which of course means Germany, and maybe Poland and others, need to acquire nuclear arms. On top of a lot of conventional weapons.
Why? No way I count on the US protecting Europe by Jan 2025. | | | | | So you think that the nukes already in Germany, Belgium, NL, Italy and Turkey will be removed?
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27.04.2022, 06:26
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | We will need to militarize. We, as in civilized Europe. I would welcome if Germany would enter a discussion with France and the UK for a joint nuclear defense scheme. Which of course means Germany, and maybe Poland and others, need to acquire nuclear arms. On top of a lot of conventional weapons.
Why? No way I count on the US protecting Europe by Jan 2025. | | | | | Not sure that that is the right way, also I don´t think that America would allow a nuclear armed Europe not under American control.
Y`all need to watch "The day after," "Threads" and "Dead man´s letters" again. Tell me if you are so nuke happy after that.
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27.04.2022, 06:31
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | What??? Proliferation of nuclear weapons for everyone. That’s not gonna end up well and bring the world closer to the brink of destruction. Conventional weapons and lot of them, that’s fine.
I’m sure that Kim Jong would welcome the idea:
North Korea: Kim Jong-un vows to step up nuclear weapons programme https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-61225675 | | | | | Problem with weapons, conventional or otherwise, is that you need the human infrastructure to deal with them, that will lead to militarized societies as was prevalent up until the middle of 20th century.
History would repeat its self.
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27.04.2022, 06:44
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | If I feel threatened by a neighbour do I have the right to attack him with an axe just in case, because my delusions tell me he's planning something? | | | | | US won’t rule out military action if China establishes base in Solomon Islands https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...olomon-islands | 
27.04.2022, 07:10
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | At this point I start to ask myself if this is as far as humanity gets?
Is our civilization at the very end of it´s run and is the future not one of progress, but a slide to oblivion?
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27.04.2022, 08:12
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | This sounds like one misleading headline. Basically the guy didn't say anything they could use, so they made up a headline about what he did not say.
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27.04.2022, 08:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | it's telling that the US has been happy to dot bases all around china, but now at the mere hint of a base potentially being established on the solomon islands that there calls to prepare for war.
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27.04.2022, 09:09
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | it's telling that the US has been happy to dot bases all around china, but now at the mere hint of a base potentially being established on the solomon islands that there calls to prepare for war. | | | | | If one takes a step back you see the staggering level of Anerican meddling in world affairs
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27.04.2022, 09:35
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | it's telling that the US has been happy to dot bases all around china, but now at the mere hint of a base potentially being established on the solomon islands that there calls to prepare for war. | | | | | | Quote: | |  | | | If one takes a step back you see the staggering level of Anerican meddling in world affairs | | | | | Unfortunately many won't see it like that!
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27.04.2022, 09:53
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | At this point I start to ask myself if this is as far as humanity gets?
Is our civilization at the very end of it´s run and is the future not one of progress, but a slide to oblivion? | | | | | The end of the world is a hobby at least as old as written language. Maybe it's older but there's no evidence.
The end of the world is a lot of times just a projection of inner experiences to the world/universe, such an individual contemplating its own mortality. Fun thing is that teenagers doing this are regarded as pretentious and vane, while elder people is regarded as wise.
Back to Ukraine, war is much worse than finding new natural gas sources and having an energy crisis in the meantime.
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27.04.2022, 09:54
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | If one takes a step back you see the staggering level of Anerican meddling in world affairs | | | | | i guess that's the prerogative of the world's only superpower.
i think the events of the last few years can be viewed as a battle between the US maintaining its role as global hegemon in a unipolar world versus the growth of china and its attempt to assert its place as a regional hegemon in a newly restructured multipolar world.
russia and ukraine then being something of a sideshow with russia trying to maintain some regional influence. but maybe it has woken up the EU to reinvent itself not just as merely an economic superpower in europe, but perhaps also a military one.
people are studying thucydides again with good reason.
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27.04.2022, 09:57
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | At this point I start to ask myself if this is as far as humanity gets?
Is our civilization at the very end of it´s run and is the future not one of progress, but a slide to oblivion? | | | | | It's only politics! Were you never in kindergarten?
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27.04.2022, 10:12
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | people are studying thucydides again with good reason. | | | | | Or the Gorvachev, Yeltsin, and Bush dad interactions.
Bush dad presidency was passive publicly, supported Gorbachev publicly during some rough years just before USSR collapse and only showed public support to Yeltsin until the Russians have sorted that out themselves. No surprise the US is being reactive, AKA "not doing enough", once again.
It would be very interesting to know what's being discussed now in Azerbaijan and all the other ex-USSR countries ending in "stan". Are they worried about being invaded by Putin too?
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27.04.2022, 10:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | The Tehran Times ... | | | | | What slammer reads apart from Pravda, RT etc. | Quote: | |  | | | Or the Gorvachev, Yeltsin, and Bush dad interactions.
Bush dad presidency was passive publicly, supported Gorbachev publicly during some rough years just before USSR collapse and only showed public support to Yeltsin until the Russians have sorted that out themselves. No surprise the US is being reactive, AKA "not doing enough", once again. It would be very interesting to know what's being discussed now in Azerbaijan and all the other ex-USSR countries ending in "stan". Are they worried about being invaded by Putin too? | | | | | Russia never left those -stans, they always had pro-Russia Govs and a strong Russian minority and in state functions.
Russia also created open conflicts areas in Armenia, Georgia, Moldova, Azerbaijan etc etc
What, did you think they were....independent? lol
Just wait and see if they change a pro-Russia government how they'll react....quickly inventing how Russian minority is oppressed (laughable, as Russian minority has a very special and above everyone else status) and let's invade and kill all those "nazis"....
Pattern.
Did anyone mention Russia's meddling in world affairs? Lending money to Marine Le Pen for instance? Brexit? Tump? etc etc etc
No? Why?
Are you all blind? Or just....payed?
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27.04.2022, 10:46
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Russia never left those -stans, they always had pro-Russia Govs and a strong Russian minority and in state functions.
Russia also created open conflicts areas in Armenia, Georgia, Moldova, Azerbaijan etc etc
What, did you think they were....independent? lol
Just wait and see if they change a pro-Russia government how they'll react....quickly inventing how Russian minority is oppressed (laughable, as Russian minority has a very special and above everyone else status) and let's invade and kill all those "nazis"....
Pattern.
Did anyone mention Russia's meddling in world affairs? Lending money to Marine Le Pen for instance? etc etc etc
No? Why?
Are you all blind? Or just....payed? | | | | | Indeed, they are not independent. Yes, when natural gas started flowing from Azerbaijan to Turkey/Greece on 2020 a war started conveniently close to the pipe. Closer to my area of specialty, there was always a theory that all the opposition against fracking/shale gas had some blessings from Russia, but no concrete evidence.
Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if someone is whispering in the ears of people about being the new Saudi Arabia. The English somehow managed to convince the guys on the Arab Peninsula to go against Turkey, and they're not going that bad a century later.
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27.04.2022, 11:10
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | What slammer reads apart from Pravda, RT ? | | | | | I also read „Völkischer Beobachter“ but they stopped printing for some reason….😘
Of course Russia meddles, they all do. That is not the point.
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