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Old 27.04.2022, 11:49
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

Reports that Poland and Bulgaria have had their gas supply switched off. One imagines this is done with the purpose of driving a wedge between EU countries.
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Old 27.04.2022, 11:51
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Old 27.04.2022, 12:59
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Interesting. Looks like flows through Nordstream and Ukraine will continue. Supply to Poland ending contractually anyhow by end of the year. So I guess this is a warning shot to other buyers that won't cost the Russians much.

Feels like another Russian miscalculation though. We will see.
I guess some stereotype of the French can be borrowed by Austrians...

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VIENNA, April 27. /TASS/. The Austrian side, represented by Austrian oil and gas company OMV, accepted Russia's conditions for paying for Russian gas supplies in rubles by opening an account with a Russian bank, Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer said on Wednesday.
https://tass.com/economy/1443877?utm...rer=google.com

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Vienna will not pay rubles for Russian gas, Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer said on Wednesday, dismissing reports by Russian news agencies that Vienna had accepted Moscow's terms of payment.

In a tweet, Nehammer slammed the reports as "fake news of Russian propaganda."
https://www.dw.com/en/europe-prepare...tes/a-61602729
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...or fake news?:
Both can be true at the same time.

OMV =/= Austria or its government
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Old 27.04.2022, 15:05
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Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?

OMV is not paying for gas in Roubles. OMV is paying for gas in Euros to Gazprombank, which then converts them to Roubles.

https://www.reuters.com/business/ene...es-2022-04-27/

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Russian energy giant Gazprom (GAZP.MM) on Wednesday halted gas supplies to Bulgaria and Poland for failing to pay for gas in roubles. Nehammer said they had declined to use the payment system through Gazprombank that Austria, Germany and others have adopted.

Gazprombank has been spared the harsh sanctions imposed on other Russian banks so European gas buyers could open an account with it and let it buy roubles on their behalf.
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Old 27.04.2022, 15:19
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Reports that Poland and Bulgaria have had their gas supply switched off. One imagines this is done with the purpose of driving a wedge between EU countries.
And as I said yesterday, I think this is another miscalculation. The pretext is absolutely ridiculous and they are just showing they are totally unreliable and anyone buying more than 10% of their needs from them must be crazy. I bet this raises eyebrows even in Beijing.
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Old 27.04.2022, 15:21
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Both can be true at the same time.

OMV =/= Austria or its government
If I understand well, Austrian Chancellor is head of the government. If head of government tells something to the media and local oil company executive says other thing, it's great confusion.

So far, it looks like only news media getting their news from Russia tells the story. It seems headlines were used to influence gas trading/pricing. Hopefully, there's no automated trading for gas in Europe these days. Literally asking for it.
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Old 27.04.2022, 16:17
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Reports that Poland and Bulgaria have had their gas supply switched off. One imagines this is done with the purpose of driving a wedge between EU countries.
Wedge? No, actually bringing them together.

"Poland and Bulgaria are receiving gas from their EU neighbors, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said.

"Member States met today in the Gas Coordination Group. Poland and Bulgaria updated us on the situation.
Both Poland and Bulgaria are now receiving gas from their EU neighbours.""

One of the many benefits of EU membership.
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Old 27.04.2022, 16:43
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so putin labelled his opponents nazis to discredit them and legitimise violence against them. wonder where he got that brilliant idea from?

From NYT I believe ))



Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelensky, has few cards to play in any talks with Moscow. Perhaps his strongest is the threat of an insurgency by nationalist groups like Democratic Ax and the even more influential Right Sector in the event of a Russian invasion. Recently, the government has even urged the nationalist parties to arm themselves more heavily.
But the groups are a two-edged sword, threatening not just the Kremlin but also the Ukrainian government, which could be rocked and possibly overthrown by them if Mr. Zelensky agrees to a peace deal that in their minds gives too much to Moscow.



https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/10/w...-invasion.html


That's 2 weeks before the invasion.
If one cares to google for a period from 2014 to 2018, it's quite clear that the influence of nationalists on Ukrainian politics worried not only Russia. And only the lazy did not write, that a small percentage of Nazi activists does not mean their small influence - like the army in any state is only a small part of the people, but its influence can be decisive.
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Old 27.04.2022, 16:51
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Wedge? No, actually bringing them together.

"Poland and Bulgaria are receiving gas from their EU neighbors, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said.

"Member States met today in the Gas Coordination Group. Poland and Bulgaria updated us on the situation.
Both Poland and Bulgaria are now receiving gas from their EU neighbours.""

One of the many benefits of EU membership.
Oh brilliant........... another reason for the German government to increase the taxes on gas, as hey, we don´t have enough money to buy it as we sold it all to Poland?
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That's 2 weeks before the invasion.
If one cares to google for a period from 2014 to 2018, it's quite clear that the influence of nationalists on Ukrainian politics worried not only Russia. And only the lazy did not write, that a small percentage of Nazi activists does not mean their small influence - like the army in any state is only a small part of the people, but its influence can be decisive.
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Old 27.04.2022, 17:43
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Somehow, no mention of Ukraine Nazis invading Russia or gathering near the Russian border.
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Old 27.04.2022, 18:02
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Somehow, no mention of Ukraine Nazis invading Russia or gathering near the Russian border.
Let's finish one topic before jumping to the next one.
So, there are no more objections that Nazis influence on Ukrainian government and peoples life was significant, or you need more proof?
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Old 27.04.2022, 18:04
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Let's finish one topic before jumping to the next one.
So, there are no more objections that Nazis influence on Ukrainian government and peoples life was significant, or you need more proof?
And as you are using past tense, is the job now done and your looting and raping brethren can go home to their shithole villages in Siberia?
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Old 27.04.2022, 18:08
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And as you are using past tense, is the job now done and your looting and raping brethren can go home to their shithole villages in Siberia?
Almost done. The influence is noticeably decreasing, and once fully done - yes, everyone will go home.
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Almost done. The influence is noticeably decreasing, and once fully done - yes, everyone will go home.
Are you really serious about Russia leaving and going home?
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Are you really serious about Russia leaving and going home?
Absolutely. That's what I heard so far from the official sources.

And also I, personally, have good reasons to believe in exactly the opposite of what the western tabloids say.
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Absolutely. That's what I heard so far from the official sources.

And also I, personally, have good reasons to believe in exactly the opposite of what the western tabloids say.
According to the official sources, Russia is the land of milk and honey, so I'm also personally curious - why are you living in that lying western country instead of beautiful and truthful Motherland (where the real perspectives for life are)?
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Old 27.04.2022, 20:13
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Oh brilliant........... another reason for the German government to increase the taxes on gas, as hey, we don´t have enough money to buy it as we sold it all to Poland?
What grounds do you have to believe that Germany would sell gas to Poland at less than the replacement cost?

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That's 2 weeks before the invasion.
If one cares to google for a period from 2014 to 2018, it's quite clear that the influence of nationalists on Ukrainian politics worried not only Russia. And only the lazy did not write, that a small percentage of Nazi activists does not mean their small influence - like the army in any state is only a small part of the people, but its influence can be decisive.
I am sure that a country with a Jewish president is heavily influenced by Nazis.

Do you ever put any thought into your posts or do you just write any fantasy that supports your biases?
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Old 27.04.2022, 20:29
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So your "western media" examples are from the "Times of Israel" which is in the Middle East

Many of the quotes refer to the time of President Yanukovych who was removed eight years ago, not relevant to the Ukraine of today that voted in a Jewish president.
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