World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? - Page 311

slammer · #**6201** 05.05.2022, 15:39

	Quote:	Axa
	Ageism have 2 sides. Usually the elder believe they have immunity to use it to feel superior. However, they get really offended if the young(er) point at the other side.

Nööö, really don’t get offended.

NotAllThere · #**6202** 05.05.2022, 15:41

	Quote:	marton
	People talk about tactical nukes like they are just big toys but they are all more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb.

Hiroshima was 15 kilotons. The Russian army has devices in the 10 to 800 kt range.

slammer · #**6203** 05.05.2022, 15:48

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	Hiroshima was 15 kilotons. The Russian army has devices in the 10 to 800 kt range.

Russia has dial a yeald nukes starting at 300 tons up to 70kt.

marton · #**6204** 05.05.2022, 17:00

	Quote:	slammer
	Russia has dial a yeald nukes starting at 300 tons up to 70kt.

Fingers crossed they know which way to turn the dial

marton · #**6205** 05.05.2022, 17:02

	Quote:	Axa
	Ageism have 2 sides. Usually the elder believe they have immunity to use it to feel superior. However, they get really offended if the young(er) point at the other side.

2 sides? Alive or dead?

vushka · #**6206** 05.05.2022, 17:16

	Quote:	Excad
	https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/...-uLYmiJatWnKjw "A staff member at #Azovstal betrayed Ukraine and told Russians about underground tunnels that lead to the plant. That's why they launched their attack yesterday and currently the Russians are trying to force their way onto Azovstal territory." :/

well notallthere claimed (without providing any source) that Azovs numbers were already dwindling down to 900... looks like those numbers will keep falling!

Axa · #**6207** 05.05.2022, 17:45

	Quote:	slammer
	Nööö, really don’t get offended.

Not offended, all cool

	Quote:	vushka
	well notallthere claimed (without providing any source) that Azovs numbers were already dwindling down to 900... looks like those numbers will keep falling!

Ohhh I get it, Russian media is framing the extermination of these guys as victory. So, at a certain number M. Poutine can claim victory and Russia can enjoy 1000 years of prosperity.

NotAllThere · #**6208** 05.05.2022, 18:15

	Quote:	vushka
	well notallthere claimed (without providing any source) that Azovs numbers were already dwindling down to 900... looks like those numbers will keep falling!

Claiming? Those are the numbers from march the first.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...-azov-regiment

It's not hard to find sources if you bother to look. I just don't always cite them, as I assume sites like Wikipedia (where I originally got the information from and then checked the citation) are easy to access. Now, obviously, if I were writing a scientific paper...

vushka · #**6209** 05.05.2022, 19:16

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	Claiming? Those are the numbers from march the first. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/...-azov-regiment It's not hard to find sources if you bother to look. I just don't always cite them, as I assume sites like Wikipedia (where I originally got the information from and then checked the citation) are easy to access. Now, obviously, if I were writing a scientific paper...

thanks for providing the source.
interestingly, it also refers to them as a "far-right neo-Nazi group" who have expanded into ukraines armed forces.

marton · #**6210** 05.05.2022, 19:32

	Quote:	vushka
	well notallthere claimed (without providing any source) that Azovs numbers were already dwindling down to 900... looks like those numbers will keep falling!

Do you have a source with different numbers?

slammer · #**6211** 05.05.2022, 20:42

	Quote:	Axa
	Not offended, all cool

When your granddaughter calls Pink Floyd "Grandads old peoples music" you tend to grow a thick skin... Fast!

slammer · #**6212** 05.05.2022, 22:57

	Quote:	marton
	Fingers crossed they know which way to turn the dial

All the way to gas mark 11

NotAllThere · #**6213** 06.05.2022, 06:11

	Quote:	vushka
	.... it also refers to them as a "far-right neo-Nazi group" who have expanded into ukraines armed forces.

That part is journalistic opinion.

As the journalist in The Times today says:

	Quote:
	While Putin’s apology may have defused for now, the public row between the two countries, as well as the fact that the Russians are using claims that the Zelensky government is “neo-Nazi” to justify the war against Ukraine, will continue to cause a strain in the relations. Israel’s national Holocaust research and commemoration centre, Yad Vashem, has already condemned this as “propagandist discourse”.

Elsewhere, interesting developments.

	Quote:
	Russian generals are “turning in on themselves” because the war in Ukraine is not going to plan, the defence secretary [Ben Wallace] said today.

slammer · #**6214** 06.05.2022, 07:18

	Quote:	NotAllThere
	That part is journalistic opinion. As the journalist in The Times today says: Elsewhere, interesting developments.

Also, it seems that the US intelligence services is supplying Intel on Russian generals for Ukraine to take them out.
Not sure if that isn´t a hidden declaration of war.

komsomolez · #**6215** 06.05.2022, 07:23

	Quote:	slammer
	Also, it seems that the US intelligence services is supplying Intel on Russian generals for Ukraine to take them out. Not sure if that isn´t a hidden declaration of war.

It is thoughtless bragging by some US officials that the WH is now trying to walk back. Whoever talked about this to the press should be fired.

slammer · #**6216** 06.05.2022, 07:38

	Quote:	komsomolez
	It is thoughtless bragging by some US officials that the WH is now trying to walk back. Whoever talked about this to the press should be fired.

That is what I was thinking, it shows that the US really do want Russia to be gone as a power, even a local one.

komsomolez · #**6217** 06.05.2022, 07:47

	Quote:	slammer
	That is what I was thinking, it shows that the US really do want Russia to be gone as a power, even a local one.

Well. Really awful. The Ukrainians are playing the perfect Israeli in neither confirming nor denying strikes on Russian territory. And now some stupid asshole in the Pentagon or State can't keep his mouth shut.

NotAllThere · #**6218** 06.05.2022, 08:03

	Quote:	slammer
	That is what I was thinking, it shows that the US really do want Russia to be gone as a power, even a local one.

Putin's Russia (The Return of the USSR) - I'd agree with. Needs to be dead and buried.

greenmount · #**6219** 06.05.2022, 08:10

	Quote:	slammer
	That is what I was thinking, it shows that the US really do want Russia to be gone as a power, even a local one.

Russia should have been happy with bossing around central-asian republics or all sorts of -stans, but no, as the Ottomans before they wanted the big prize - Europe, perhaps the entire world.

Ottomans were done and buried (oh well, with Erdogan's new aggressive nationalism they try to revive what is dead for more than a century, it's almost comical), we're expecting Russia as a regional or world power to follow suit....

vushka · #**6220** 06.05.2022, 08:26

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/

According Ukrainska Pravda sources close to Zelenskyy, the Prime Minister of the United KingdomBoris Johnson, who appeared in the capital almost without warning, brought two simple messages.

The first is that Putin is a war criminal, he should be pressured, not negotiated with.

And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not.