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06.05.2022, 09:10
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Fingers crossed they know which way to turn the dial  | | | | | Often believe that the only thing keeping us alive is pure luck.
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06.05.2022, 09:52
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/05/5/7344206/ According Ukrainska Pravda sources close to Zelenskyy, the Prime Minister of the United KingdomBoris Johnson, who appeared in the capital almost without warning, brought two simple messages.
The first is that Putin is a war criminal, he should be pressured, not negotiated with. And the second is that even if Ukraine is ready to sign some agreements on guarantees with Putin, they are not. | | | | | seems the west is really intent on breaking russia... at least until the last ukrainian | This user would like to thank vushka for this useful post: | | 
06.05.2022, 09:59
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | seems the west is really intent on breaking russia... at least until the last ukrainian  | | | | | Didn't they say and intend the same even before Putin became a "war criminal"? 
Like, 100 years ago? ))
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06.05.2022, 11:04
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
vushka's narrative that the West is fighting this war with Russia, using Ukraine as a proxy. The Kremlin have claimed something similar.
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06.05.2022, 11:08
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | vushka's narrative that the West is fighting this war with Russia, using Ukraine as a proxy. The Kremlin have claimed something similar. | | | | | It fuels the Kremlins claim that NATO is a threat to Russia and with the Us supplying intel to Ukraine for them to kill Russian generals it‘s not too far off the mark.
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06.05.2022, 11:22
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | vushka's narrative that the West is fighting this war with Russia, using Ukraine as a proxy. The Kremlin have claimed something similar. | | | | | That is at least partially true and can imo be considered common sense a shelping Ukraine and fighting a proxy war are not mutually exclusive. The West are helping Ukraine fight an existential threat, but at the same time using this as a strategic opportunity to weaken Russia, who have always been considered a threat to The West, particularly by the USA. The West now have the opportunity to supply high-grade weapons to someone fighting Russia, without themselves starting a war, which is pretty much a golden goose situation for anyone who opposes Russia.
As horrendous as this is for Ukraine, the clouds on the silver lining are a) that Russia will be militarily and economically weakened for decades and b) it will significantly strengthen Natos security posture and Europe's position on the global stage, not only because of the increased military spending but also due to the drive towards energy self-reliance that this has initiated. It will imo tip the global power balance distinctly in the Wests favour, especially with the new Nato members it will bring.
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06.05.2022, 11:37
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | seems the west is really intent on breaking russia... at least until the last ukrainian  | | | | | After the denazification of Ukraine comes the depunitization of Russia.
It would be the 2nd time in 30 or so years, so any adult that was older than 15 years old back on 1990 would have the chance to see things collapse one more time. So, all Russians 45 YO and up may have front row seats for the show.
PS. Ukraine was already facing an invasion with or without importing weapons.
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06.05.2022, 12:20
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
I missed this one from last Wednesday. No clear idea of what's going on beyond Switzerland flexing its geopolitical muscles: | Quote: |  | | | Switzerland is preparing for a visit from Selenski
The Ukrainian President is due to visit Lugano in July. The federal government is making arrangements for Volodymyr Zelensky's possible first trip abroad since the beginning of the war. | | | | | Anyone has TA abo to share a bit more please? https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/die-sch...r-946537568868 | 
06.05.2022, 13:01
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine?
The meeting was arranged for quite some time ago, the original umbrella topic was "reform of Ukraine" (Selinsky was elected based on his claim to fight corruption, which he was anything but successful with, the war put him firmly back in the seat). It seems to have been "definitively" confirmed last October when Federal Council Cassis was visiting Ukraine. Of course the general topic has changed, now it'll be about donating to and rebuilding Ukraine.
Selinsky's physical participation is conditional, and may be changed into remote participation at the last moment. The article speculates about participation by Macron, Johnson, and Schulz, or some almost as highly ranking officials of those countries. Plus multiple Ukrainian officials other than Selinsky. All that increases the security requirements by a few orders of magnitude.
Cassis, BundesPräsident and thus the highest of the seven dwarves this year, was born and raised in Lugano, I bet he'll move heaven and hell to make it happen.
It wouldn't surprise me to see an increased number of men in black who speak English only in the country until after the conference.
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06.05.2022, 13:30
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Often believe that the only thing keeping us alive is pure luck. | | | | | https://sgs.princeton.edu/the-lab/plan-a
Princeton's simulation of use of nuclear force by US and Russia
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06.05.2022, 13:46
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | vushka's narrative that the West is fighting this war with Russia, using Ukraine as a proxy. The Kremlin have claimed something similar. | | | | | It is a proxy war - the West (US) is Ukraine's benefactor / sponsor - weapons, training, funding, intelligence sharing
Good analysis from NYT https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily...as-war-too/amp | This user would like to thank Aleydis for this useful post: | | This user groans at Aleydis for this post: | | 
06.05.2022, 13:54
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | I´ll take a wager that the gyros are already spinning on hundreds of missiles on both sides.
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06.05.2022, 14:21
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06.05.2022, 14:24
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Run for the hills! (Better view).
Why does France not get targeted?
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06.05.2022, 14:48
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Is plan-B with sticks and stones?
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06.05.2022, 15:00
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | This is a very curious website mentioned in the plan A website. Just an overlay of the impact radius of several historic bombs applied to the city on your choice around the world. https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ | 
06.05.2022, 15:01
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | This is a very curious website mentioned in the plan A website. Just an overlay of the impact radius of several historic bombs applied to the city on your choice around the world. https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/ | | | | | That and the graphics from "wargame"
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | yes. feel sorry for the ukrainians who are left to fight a proxy war for the west.
countries like taiwan should watch closely and take heed.
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06.05.2022, 15:36
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| | Re: World War 3 or just a local spat in Ukraine? | Quote: | |  | | | Run for the hills! (Better view).
Why does France not get targeted? | | | | | The French do not like that sort of thing.
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