Lads and ladies, just for your information as this particular topic has not been touched upon yet. This a huge grassroots movement in Russia against the war and, by way of extension, against the government. Some are so radical, that they scare the heck out of me. Apart from the obvious, the focus is also on staying safe and supporting those, who have already been detained / arrested / are facing jail time.

WWII history isn't taught in the primary school AFAIK.
Anyone with university degree can read it in multiple sources and figure out which one lies.


Read again: Partitioning of Poland served a purpose of protecting Russian border from possible German aggression.


Can you please share *your* definition of Nazism and how it applies to *any* aggression?

And the question about partitioning Czechoslovakia in 1938 remains: does it make Great Britain, Italy and France Nazi states?

You did not hear anything about the Wagner group being led by neo-Nazis?

How could you miss such information that is freely and widely available worldwide?

I recommend you use google to fill the extensive gaps in your knowledge
so you can debate with us as an equal.

But only after Russia showed its true colours as a force that must be put down.

arz is coming from a society where information is carefully controlled. Sometimes more, sometimes less. But they're fed a narrative. It's very appealing narrative. Go against it, and you'll find the state isn't very nice. But for some reason, arz chooses to live in the repressive West instead of the glorious freedom of the former USSR.

What's interesting is that we (of the free West) are accused of also being fed a narrative. But in Western countries, journalists uncover scandal after scandal. I'm thinking Watergate, Irangate, Horizon.... So many to choose from!

In Western countries nefarious actions are found out. Corrupt politicians are (eventually!) thrown out of office. As opposed to throwing journalists and opposition politicians into prison.

When there's a local equivalent of Private Eye in Moscow, I'll believe that Russia, finally, is free.

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The narrative of the "free West" ?

Any Polish people here care to comment on this. "We invaded Poland to protect ourselves from Nazism".

What they also did was ship anyone living there to gulags. But that an area that Russia took control of ended up with mass deportations*? That could never happen today could it?





* They're being labelled refugees.

Finally. Thank you.

Yep. The one that can be freely questioned without threat of imprisonment. Or worse. And isn't a narrative, rather a bunch of 'em. Because there's always someone who'll disagree.

And WE can.

The Kremlin narrative at the start of this thread. Didn't turn out so, did it?

Switching the subject to fantasies and personal attack.

Technical loss counted.

Well the US have shown their colors a long time ago - Yugoslavia

PS Lockheed Martin stock grew 30% over the last 6 months

Let me get this straight:
Russia makes a deal with Germany where they declare nonaggression to each other.

In the same deal, they decide about partition of Poland.
And Russia does it to prevent predicted aggression while signing nonaggression pact in the same document?

Is this really your view?

No need to wonder, you can be certain. https://edition.cnn.com/2022/04/25/p...egy/index.html

The US may also be using this war as a marketing campaign for their arms manufacturers. All those videos of Russian helicopters and tanks blown to pieces with human portable weapons are great for sales.

Said videos are also really good to show how vulnerable are the defense systems of Russian helicopters and tanks. If I were the acquisitions guy in Saudi Arabia, I'd give it a 2nd thought before ordering a Russian helicopter.

So, apparently it's a win-win deal. Ukraine gets weapons, manufacturers in countries manufacturing said weapons get publicity and probably orders. Cherry on top is making Russian made machines look vulnerable to relatively cheap weapons.

Of what I wrote, there's only one thing that refers to you specifically and it certainly isn't a personal attack. (That would be something like - you are deluded idiot - but I'd never say something like that).

As for fantasies. We, who've been brought up to think freely and critically, know who's living in a delusional mindscape, designed for you by people who do not have your best interests at hearts.

Which is what makes it so sad, of course. Putin is not on the side of the common Russian people. Neither is Boris Johnson/Biden - but at least we've a chance of throwing him out at the next General/Presidential Election.

Here's something to keep you amused https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA1354xJ4V8&t=44s

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Great. The whole thing is actually a marketing exercise on behalf of arms manufacturers. Is Putin getting a kickback, do you think?

Just added something you may have missed. Of course, perhaps Russia views Poland like they view Ukraine. Never really a proper country, so to be annihilated at will.

Nope. You're the one implying a plan. There are things resulting of human actions but not coming out of human design (spontaneous order).

I don't think the US military-industrial complex initiated the war. But, once it started...why not profit from it? They are transparent about the benefits of economic sanctions.

Where I see the marketing exercise is in the lend-lease program from US to Ukraine. But that came after the war, not before. And apparently it's something that benefits both participants of the deal. So, I don't see conspiracies. I see realpolitik and dealmaking.

These colors were "stopping ethnic cleansing".

If the Russian armament was not crap their companies would also be showing the benefit; maybe if Russia deployed their latest products in the Ukraine it would benefit, or maybe just show more failures?

I suppose the Trumpites think freely and critically then <shakes head>